STORYTAPE #3 – POSSE CUTS

Interviews, Music, The Good Old Days, Videos

Yes indeed! My latest interview mixtape, STORYTAPE #3 – Posse Cuts, is finally here. Listen to a collection of some of the most legendary posse cuts in rap history while you read the stories behind them, featuring interviews with ten undisputed hip-hop legends I had the honor of speaking with back in the ’10s. It’s the third release from my STORYTAPE archival series. Let’s go!

SIDE A

Wu-Tang Clan “Protect Ya Neck”

Raekwon: That one right there is definitely a classic song. It’s one of my favorites. That’s really my first time of hearing eight cats on one record, number one. That’s the introduction of our careers right there. That record definitely made the biggest statement for us.

That record was put together crazy. When we got in the studio it’s like we were rhymin’ to another beat. That’s how RZA works. He may think of something right after he makes the beat and go back and re-tweak the beat though. I didn’t rhyme to that part of the beat when I was rhymin’. It was just a different bounce, but at the end of the day, it was definitely just one of the illest songs ever made in my eyes.

It wasn’t no order. When you hear us say we witty and unpredictable it’s for reasons like that. Only because, we understand RZA’s a beat maker, but at the same time RZA is a composer, so he was just playing with things and trying different things. So that was really scrambled together as a record. Like, probably the only one that was there with him helping him co-produce at the time was Dirty if I’m not mistaken, ‘cause Dirty had a lot to do with the production back then off the first album.

Being from Staten Island, the forgotten borough, this is what gets us excited. This is what makes us feel like we underestimated or underrated, so it was about smashing anything and everything that come in our way, but we definitely wanted to be heard the right way.

Main Source ft. Nas, Joe Fatal, and Akinyele “Live At The Barbeque”

Large Professor: I always had that drum loop, the “Nautilus” drum loop. People sampled that record a lot, but to be right there with it, and just get the drums out of it without all of the bells and all of that, at that time, it was amazing. Like, “Oh shit, you got just the drums out of ‘Nautilus’?” It was tough.

We had recorded all of the album. The album was done. And we had this last song to do. It was the last session. This was it. We had tried to hook it up other times. Nas said a rhyme on it when we were at another studio, but it just never really came together. There was another studio that we were working at, and it was like we were trying to get a little extra in at the end of a session, and I threw it up, like, “Yo Nas, see if you got anything for this.” So he put something down, and I’m sure it was tough, but the whole idea of it just didn’t come together.

But this session, I threw the bassline in the beat, and we were all there. Times before, it was like, we were just practicing when I would throw that beat up, because it was just the drums. This time, it was like, “This gotta count.”

I wrote my verse right there. Fatal had a combination of dudes collaborating with him on his verse. Ak was always ready. And Nas, he always books and books of rhymes. So he took this piece of this rhyme, and that piece of that rhyme, and put it all together.

We used to wild in the studio. G Rap kind of started that with us. In the studio in general, dudes used to be on some real wild shit, getting their puff on and drink on, partying, the damn speakers blaring loud. That’s where that chorus came from.

It was crazy with “Barbeque” because, that was the last song, and so like a month or two later, the album was out. There was no in between time. It wasn’t like I had time to go around the way and play it for people. It was like, “We got it in the can, it’s good.” As soon as we finished that, we were mastering, and then it was like, it went straight to the radio. We were like, “Yo, this is it!”

For all of us in general when the album came out, it was crazy. And Nas was like a huge highlight on that joint. And then he started getting his shine on, with Bobbito and Stretch Armstrong, going up there and gettin’ busy.

I met Nas through Joe Fatal, and he had a friend named Melquan that he was getting up with. Nas wanted to record a demo for himself. His mother was funding him to go record a demo. And at that time, my name was kind of ringing bells, like, “Yo, there’s this dude out in Flushing that’s making these crazy beats.” Fatal was putting that out there. So I had to show and prove.

One day, Melquan and Fatal set it up, and I was coming out of high school, coming down the steps. And them and Nas came by in the cab, like, “Yo, we’re gonna make that happen.” So we jetted back to the crib, I got my machine, and jetted all the way out to some studio Sty In The Sky Studios in Coney Island, Brooklyn. I made the beat right there, and we recorded the demo. I forgot the name of it, but it was dope though. We had other demos from that time too that were ill, like “Top Choice of the Female Persuasion,” and “550 Fahrenheit.” But they never came out.

EPMD ft. Redman and K-Solo “Head Banger”

Erick Sermon: I made “Headbanger” for Ice Cube. But I never got the chance to give it to him. That was the last song before “Crossover” was made. 

We were in the studio one day, and we needed a crew record. So I threw the beat on. And we started yelling. The session just went that way. The beat made you amped. I was just so aggressive. I was thinking about The Bomb Squad when I made that record.

We had it set up like a Temptations thing, with the four mics set up. Just screaming. It was hard to EQ that record because you had the leakage like back in the day. But we did it that way, and it came out fine and made it very exciting.

That studio’s not there anymore, Dave’s Rockin’ Reel. But we thought the album was done because we thought we had the single before “Crossover,” so we recorded that and just wilded out, thinking it was our last record. I don’t know where that came from. We were just yelling, and thinking about Onyx too. 

Russell and them wanted to put that out as a single. That record was huge. Because once the album came out, that was the record that was picked up. Plus, it was Redman. Reggie was the excitement. His “Headbanger” verse was like, “Yo, who is that?!?” 

Run-D.M.C. ft. Pete Rock & CL Smooth “Down With The King”

Pete Rock: That was a great opportunity. I thought I was dreaming actually, because I used to be a big fan of Run-D.M.C. I remember buying their records when I was only eleven years old. When the opportunity came about, I thought it was a great idea to help get those guys back on the charts. That’s what I did.

Jam Master Jay, R.I.P. man. He was the realest cat. He would show up at my mother’s house, unannounced, and when I would go to the front door and see it was him, I really, really, literally thought I was dreaming. He’d be like, “Come on Pete, let’s go finish working on the song.” I would hurry up and get dressed, brush my teeth, wash my face, comb my hair, and go across to the basement and start making music.

A Tribe Called Quest ft. Sadat X, Lord Jamar, and Diamond D “Show Business”

Diamond D: Skef Anslem was an engineer at Jazzy Jay’s studio on Allerton Avenue in the Bronx. That was home base. Jazzy Jay’s the one who put me on. I call Jay the teacher. I would just go up there and be up under him. He had all the breakbeats and original shit, and I was a beat head. So just to watch him put together beats here and there, it made me want to get my money up and get a sampler. 

I met Tip at first up there. We sat and talked about beats, and just connected. I told him I liked his music, and he said he was feeling my shit. We were both in Zulu Nation too, so it was that whole umbrella.

Somehow I wound up at Battery Studios that day. I didn’t come down there to work on the song, I just came through to hear them working on the new album. This was around that time where Grand Puba and Lord Jamar started having their friction, and I think Puba didn’t show up for the session. Tip said, “Yo D, if you got something, you can jump on here.” And I wrote it right there on the spot, and I kept my verse within the concept that Tip had on the hook.

Shout out to Stu Fine from Wild Pitch. I had a little gripe with Stu, but looking back on it, I should have been on top of my paperwork. Now that I’m older and wiser, I see that. But I definitely threw a rock at him on that.

It was definitely a good look. I already had my deal, but being on that album helped people know who I was. 

Lord Finesse ft. Sadat X, Large Professor, and Grand Puba “Actual Facts”

Large Professor: That was dope. Yeah, Finesse called me up, he was on Penalty. We were cool, we were always cool. He said, “Yo, roll through to the studio, I wanna put you on this joint.”

I came through to the studio, and Sadat was just finishing up his verse. Finesse was sitting there, and was like, “Yo, jump on this. You can write right now.” So I wrote my joint up, got in the booth, knocked it out. And I was like, “You like that joint right there? That shit was aiight?” And everybody in the room was like, “Hell yeah!” And I was like, “No doubt.” Nas was the king of that. He would be like, “Yo man, that was aiight?” And we’d be like, “Hell yeah!” We’d always be buggin’ even if he wasn’t sure if we would like it.

Then, Finesse dropped his rhyme. Puba wasn’t there, which is why I was like, “He’s probably somewhere out in Aruba.” He was always missing. That was a little inside joke.

Then, we did the video. That was nice, man. That was a booster for me, because that was in between projects, right when I was getting that Geffen project together.

D.I.T.C. “Day One”

Diamond D: That was a beat I had, and Show liked it. Then I played it for everybody, and everybody liked it. It was something we all agreed on. I don’t think everybody was there at once. It was built together in pieces. I do know I laid my verse first—next time I heard it, it was basically done.

The last time Big L came to my house, he had a magic marker, and he did a quick “Big L – 139th Street” graffiti throw-up on my wall. A week and a half later, he was murdered. So I cut it off the wall and framed it. Common signed it, and Hank Shocklee’s signature is on it too. That’s real special to me.

When any family member passes, there’s a lot of pain. I really don’t talk about it. But dude was one of the brightest stars. It’s unfortunate that he wasn’t able to see his record go gold.

Del The Funky Homosapien ft. Souls of Mischief “Worldwide”

Del The Funky Homosapien: That was basically like one of them joints where everyone gets a chance to spit. A lot of times, we’d be making shit, and there’d be hella heads there, and everybody would want to get on it. So we’d make room for everyone to rap on there.

Anything we were doing on the album was just a translation of what we were really doing, outside of making records. That was just a representation of what we did. We made hella joints like that, but that was just one that got out to the public. The job of recording shit is to capture what’s really there. So that’s really what we would be doing. And that wasn’t something we had before. We made that in the studio, even though we made it like we weren’t in the studio. It just happened to be that we were making a record at that time. 

I don’t think that much thought went into it. We were happy that we were making records, but we did it the same way as when we were making demos. We knew it was going to be for the album, but so what? We treated it the same way as if we were making a demo. But it was great that we were getting paid for it now. “For doing this shit? We do this all the time.”

Busta Rhymes ft. Ghostface Killah, Raekwon, and Roc Marciano “The Heist”

Large Professor: My boy Rashad Smith, he came to me one day, and this was right after my father had passed away. And he said, “Bust wanna see you in the studio tomorrow.” I guess he had told Bust that my Pops passed. Everyone was cool with my father, because when they would come through to the crib, he would be there. Like he’d even be puffin’ Ls—you know, come in the room like, “What you boys doing?”

So Bust was like, “Yo, Rashad told me everything that was going on with you. Play me some tracks.” And that’s when he had the Wall Street studio, under the Brooklyn Bridge. And he would be going in between rooms, and I was playing beats, and he’d have one ear to that. He was truly multi-tasking.

So I played the beat for “The Heist.” And Roc Marc, who was Bust’s man from L.I., was sitting there with me like, “Yo, that shit is dope.” Roc kind of spearheaded using that beat for “The Heist.” He was like, “Yo, play that when Busta comes in.” Then Bust came in, and he was like, “Yo, play that shit again!” And I played it, and Bust was like, “Yo, lay that one.”

It was crazy, because there was an MTV Cribs where they were doing Wu-Tang Clan in Cali, and Bust is a visitor. And he’s playing “The Heist” beat. He’s like, auditioning it for them. Because when he first heard the beat, he was like, “Yo, I’m gonna get Ghost and Rae on this. Watch.” So I saw the Cribs shit, and he’s playing “The Heist” beat, and this is before the shit was done, so I’m like, “Oh shit. This is crazy.”

Next call was like, “Yo, come to the studio to mix this joint down. I got the vocals.” And that was it. To hear that, being such a Wu-Tang fan, it was crazy.

Heavy D & The Boyz ft. Kool G Rap, Grand Puba, CL Smooth, Big Daddy Kane, Pete Rock, and Q-Tip “Don’t Curse”

Pete Rock: That’s family. That’s where I got my start. Heavy D is my cousin, this is where it all began, ever since I was nine, ten years old. I’ve been DJing since I learned how to scratch at seven years old. My cousin Floyd, Hev’s older brother, taught me. 

They had a little crew called Classy Rock Crew, and I was the youngest DJ, but you know, I couldn’t really go out to the parties they were doing late night. But you could catch me in their basement trying to turn on the equipment and practice DJing. Me and my homie “Easy” Lee Davis, he would help me perfect my scratching, be on time, and make sure I knew the speed.

It was Hev’s idea to make that type of song. He used to make those type of fun songs. We used to always play around in the house and rap. But we had perfected our craft to a point where Hev was getting signed to major labels and putting records out. Hev came up with the concept, and it was his idea to get the people on it. He went out and got Kane, Q-Tip, all the people that were basically hot and on top at that time. He thought it was a great idea to engage them on the beat.

That was actually the first time I rapped on a record ever. I never used to write at all. I wrote “Don’t Curse” myself, but I didn’t consider myself a rapper. I didn’t feel I did too bad of a job writing that.

SIDE B

Ghostface Killah ft. Inspectah Deck, Raekwon, RZA, and Masta Killa “Assasination Day”

Ghostface Killah: I was going into a slump during Ironman. I found out I was a diabetic around that time, and I was just stressed out. My mind wasn’t all the way there. Certain joints I couldn’t really catch. Like the one I had with Masta Killa and Deck and RZA and them on, “Assassination Day.” I couldn’t catch it. I let it live, but like, “Fuck it, I’ll back out of that one,” and kept it moving.

To me, Ironman is dark. “After The Smoke Is Clear,” and the last couple songs at the end. Even the Mary joint. It’s down. Even “Assassination Day.” They’re dark. And I was mad as a motherfucker, but I couldn’t do nothing about it after it was wrapped up. They were like, “Yo put it out there.” Then Nas came with I Am.. after that, and he had nice, colorful joints. But it was what it was.

LL Cool J ft. Keith Murray, Prodigy, Fat Joe, and Foxy Brown “I Shot Ya (Remix)”

Fat Joe: That shit was the craziest collabo. LL Cool J was my idol. He was working in the next room with the Trackmasters. This is when I was doing my second album. And Tone from the Trackmasters came to my session, and heard my second album with “Fat Joe’s In Town” and all that. And he was like, “Oh shit, you’re killin’ it. I’m doing this remix for LL, you wanna jump on that?”

He played me the beat, and I was like, “Oh my God. What the fuck?!?” I just went crazy on it. And LL Cool J was the biggest nigga on earth, so I was hoping he kept my verse on there.

That song was legendary, because that was the first time anyone heard Foxy Brown. Her swag was out of control, with the “ill ta-tas” and all that shit.

Everyone was together at the video. It was incredible. And I had Pun on the left of me, and Armageddon on the right. That was the first time the world ever saw Big Pun.

That beat was so hard, and it was LL. At the end of the day, with no disrespect, it could’ve been just me and him. But nah, Keith Murray was the hardest nigga out. Prodigy killed it. It was stupid.

LL Cool J ft. Method Man, Redman, DMX, and Canibus “4,3,2,1”

Erick Sermon: That record was originally done by Trackmasters. But I didn’t like that beat. The beat was a club record. So I said to Kevin Liles, “Give me the record. Let me do something with it.”

Nobody was in the studio when I made that record. The rhymes were already down, but the order of the rhymes was wrong. I put Red and Meth together, then DMX afterwards.

I used the same beat as Busta Rhymes “Put Your Hand Where My Eyes Can See.” All I did was change the bass line. The shaker, the high hat, the kick, the snare is all “Put Your Hands.” Everything was moving the same way. None of the Trackmasters beat is in mine. Their beat was a loop of an old ’80s record.

Then, after I remixed it, and LL heard Canibus’ verse, he did a different verse. He had another verse before that. That was part of the record, as far as them battling, but I just put it together how I thought it should sound. And it became a smash hit record.

DMX was dangerous. I heard him already on the Cam’ron record. I knew him, but I met him and Ja Rule afterwards. I knew Canibus, because he wanted to be Def Squad. He used to say “Def Squad” in all his interviews. He was down with us. He’s on Murray’s album. Before he got with Wyclef, he was with me. But it never went. The Lost Boyz had him under contract, and there was a whole big thing. But he was shouting Def Squad for a long time in the beginning.

*IP Note: Master P appears in the video version as well.

DMX ft. The LOX and Jay-Z “Blackout”

Jadakiss: We were heavy Ryders now. We got off Bad Boy, we’re home sweet home with Ruff Ryders, able to ventilate, say anything we want, comfortable in our skin. We were going to Cali for a month, or a few weeks or so, for a video or something. I know we were going to be over there recording. And that was the first song we got in there.

Once we put the beat up and we’re writing, it’s whoever. I may have finished first and said, “Let me go in.” That always brings inspiration in case someone can’t finish, or they’re stuck in the middle. After I lay it, that usually gets the kinks out for the other two or whoever else is on the song. We’re able to generate and make the chemistry like that. 

When I like the beat, I write on the spot. Sometimes if don’t really like it, or it ain’t clicking, it may take me a few. But for the most part, for the last ten years, everything you hear came right there.

Hov was moving around touring. If you hear his verse, he was kinda sick. We were catching him in transition before he went to London. And X was already in beast mode. Second album right? Yeah, he had the fire under his ass.

Jay-Z ft. The LOX, Sauce Money, and Beanie Sigel “Reservoir Dogs”

Erick Sermon: Well, my boy Pop had the idea to use the Isaac Hayes record. He took the record to Rockwilder, and Rockwilder put whatever he thought was dope on there. Then, they brought it to me. Then I went to Mirror Image and did my beef-up to it too. So, the original came from really all three of us. 

I was in the studio across the hall from Jay-Z. My boy Bernard went over there and said, “Yo, Erick made something for you last night.” Just lying to him, whatever. And there were two records of mine that he did. 

One was a Maxwell beat that was looped, and that one. He rhymed on both of them. The other one never came out because Maxwell didn’t clear the sample. So there’s a record out there that’s dope that we never heard before. I don’t have it, because that studio—I forget what studio it was, but it’s shut down. Doesn’t exist anymore.

I was there for the session. That’s why he’s saying at the end, “Put some more beat on that joint!” But the song was already five minutes long. Nobody makes records like that anymore.

I didn’t know everybody. I didn’t know The LOX, or any of those people like that. But it sounded dope the way that it came out. They just kept playing it over and over and over again. I didn’t see everybody rhyme, just Hov. 

Nobody knew that was going to be a big album. Nobody. People were very skeptical about that record blowing. Hard Knock Life blew Jay. But Jay even said on the intro that he was going to pass the torch to Bleek. Hov was already frustrated about what happened to his last album. He was mad. So that Hard Knock Life record took him to where he’s a billionaire now.

“Reservoir Dogs” is phenomenal as far as posse cuts. And “4, 3, 2, 1.”

Jadakiss:  We were just flying in from a LOX show and we landed at LaGuardia or Newark or something, and they called us like, “Yo, Jay-Z wants y’all on his album.” We went to the studio with our luggage. That’s when we first met Sigel. He said, “This is Beanie Mac” and told him to rhyme for us. So we smoked some weed, listened to him rhyme for a while, then laid “Reservoir Dogs.” At that point, we were really feeling ourselves, like we them cats. We were expecting calls.

There’s always competitive air in the room, but the peculiar thing about that was that only me, Beanie, and Sheek laid our verses. I’m not sure if Sauce Money did. But Styles came back the next day or the day after, and I don’t know whenever Hov laid his verse. So it’s never all the way fair unless everybody lays it right there. There’s some sort of cheating going on. But it’s all good.

Fat Joe ft. Nas, Big Pun, Jadakiss, and Raekwon “John Blaze”

Fat Joe: That was a classic collaboration. It was around the time when everyone was getting together. N.O.R.E. came after that with “Banned From TV,” and his shit was crazy too. I just wanted to get the nicest niggas in the game.

Also, Pun was behind that. Pun was like, “We gotta get Nas and me on the same track.” He wanted to get his favorite rappers on a song and go crazy. So we had Jadakiss, Nas, and you know I always got Rae. We all got together.

To me, Pun had the most legendary verse. “Even if I stuttered, I would still sh-sh-shit on you.” That shit was crazy! Everybody was in the studio. Nas was there. I think Busta Rhymes was there, just hanging out. It was fun.

We’ve always been fans of Jadakiss. He’s hot now. I just dropped a mixtape with a song with Jadakiss. He’s one of the best that ever did it. We got him on board, the young gunner. And he went crazy.

Then Raekwon starts off his shit like, “My sons cool out, don’t beef yo….” Rae was like, “It sounds like everybody’s battling on this song.” That’s why Raekwon came on like, “We all family. Why is everybody sounding like they’re taking this personal?” 

Nas did change his verse like two or three times. But I never heard it again. I never thought anybody ever heard that. I thought that shit was like, lost. We flipped the beat too. We wanted to change it up.

N.O.R.E. ft. Big Pun, Cam’ron, Jadakiss, Styles P, and Nature “Banned From TV”

Jadakiss:  I think N.O.R.E. or somebody from his camp reached out to me for that. Sheek was in Puerto Rico at the time, and me and Styles just went down there and did the in and out thing.

I write it and get the topic or whatever, and then we lay it with blanks. He’ll go in or I’ll go in first and lay it with spaces, like I’m spitting a rhyme with holes in it, and then he goes in and finishes it. We perfected that now. We used to go in there with two mics set up and rock it like that. Now we leave the spaces, because we don’t have the flexibility to just hook another mic up.

It had that feeling. The Swizz beat was up-tempo, and you already know N.O.R.E. is a ball of energy. You know, Nature, N.O.R.E., Pun, The Lox, Cam, you can’t really lose. I listened to all of their music, but yeah, Cam is my homeboy, Pun was my homie, Nature, all of them. That was just easy. It always makes it easy to work when you got a relationship.

Pete Rock ft. Prodigy, Ghostface Killah, and Raekwon “Tha Game”

Pete Rock: That was from me being on the label, on Loud, and everyone hanging up at the Loud office. Up there, there was a lot going on. Pun, Mobb Deep, Wu-Tang—it was actually the best rap roster at that time. And I was grateful to be a part of that. I used to always be up at the Loud office. 

One day, Raekwon was up there, and we just kicked it. I played a couple of beats, and we figured out that I would use him, Prodigy, and Ghostface on the song.

There’s not really a story behind the beat. I just heard the loop real quick and put it down. Everybody killed it, nobody more than anyone else. That’s why the song is so historic. Everyone is on one level. People were blown away.

Prodigy, KRS-One, Method Man, and Kam “Bulworth (They Talk About It While We Live It)”

Muggs: Bulworth approached me to do something for the movie, and they wanted a posse cut. And they were like, “Who do you want?” And I was like, “Why? I can get anybody?” At the time, we were getting $100,000 for a song. The budgets were ridiculous. So I was like, “Prodigy I’m feeling. KRS-One for sure. And Method Man.”

Prodigy wasn’t in the studio, so I sent the reel to him. Method Man and KRS-One recorded the same day in New York. KRS ripped it. Then Method Man came in and sat down and did his vocals. That was the first time I saw someone do that, sitting on a high-ass stool, spitting.

The last verse was supposed to be somebody else. I can’t remember who it was. But we ended up getting Kam, a west coast cat to kind of juxtapose it. He came to New York and did the vocals. It ended up working out really well.

I did a remix that didn’t end up coming out, but it was sick. They changed the song title, because originally it was called “Fuck a Rap Critic.” The label was scared to do it. So we called it, “They Talk About It While We Live It.” Method Man said that line on “How High”—it was a good line.

The Notorious B.I.G. ft. The LOX “Last Day”

Jadakiss: We were still pretty much in the hood, probably like a nice day like today, chillin’ on the block. We get the call, “Yo, y’all gotta go down to Daddy’s House, B.I.G. want y’all on his album.” Everybody’s looking around like, “What?!?” I guess we hopped in a cab, or whoever was driving, however we had to get there. 

The whole Junior M.A.F.I.A. and B.I.G. was there. It was a beat produced by Havoc, so the beat was already knockin’. B.I.G. was like, “What y’all wanna do with it?” We just sat there, smoked, drank, and it came out. 

I had another rhyme before the actual one that was on there. I said it to B.I.G., he was like, “Nah, I need you to come harder for me.” Alright. Went in there, and wrote that right there, and that was it. It was beautiful being in the studio with B.I.G. And then to actually be able to record with him for his album was like a super honor.

That was a self-accolade for us. We felt we made it once B.I.G. told us we were nice anyway. Like, “Yo, y’all got it.” That was the push out to the world that we needed.

Special thanks to all the artists and publications that made these interviews possible.

Check these out too: STORYTAPE #2 – Fly Features and STORYTAPE ’95.

STORYTAPE #2 – FLY FEATURES

Interviews, Music, The Good Old Days, Videos

Yo! I’m back with a brand new STORYTAPE, baby. This interview mixtape features a crazy collection of hip-hop legends sharing the stories behind some of the most classic guest appearances on rap records of all-time, as told to me between 2011-2019.

Enough setup. Let’s get into it. STORYTAPE #2 – Fly Features!!

SIDE A

Jay-Z ft. The Notorious B.I.G. “Brooklyn’s Finest”

DJ Clark Kent: Basically, I was an A&R on Reasonable Doubt. We all were. That was our album. We all did it together. It wasn’t a credit or anything that I got. It was a team of people making records. You would go to every studio session. So when Premier’s doing a record, you’re all at D&D. I think it was more for the amazement factor than it was like, “Oh, we need to be here.”  It was more like, “Wow, he did it again. Look, I’m telling you, he’s the greatest!” Plus, we were a crew, so we just went everywhere and did everything together. 

Yeah, so B.I.G. wanted the beat, but I said it was Jay’s. He was like, “Nah Clark, I want that record, that beat is for me! You give everything to this nigga!” That was his favorite words. But I’m like, “He’s my artist. What do you want me to do? You’re not my artist, you’re Puff’s artist.”

So B.I.G. knew I was going to the Jay-Z session after the Mad Skillz session which was when he first heard the “Brooklyn’s Finest” beat. So I’m like, “Just come to the studio and wait downstairs.” He wanted to be on it, and I wanted him on it, but they’re not friends yet. They don’t know each other. But I’m going to make this work somehow.

I go upstairs, and I record the track. And Jay goes in, and he does his verses. I remember the name of the record originally being “Once We Get Started.” Jay says it was “No More Mr. Nice Guy,” but he remembers the words “once we get started” involved in it. I think that was what the record was supposed to be called.

So he records it, and he comes out of the booth, and I go, “Yo, maybe you should put B.I.G. on it. And he’s looking at me like I’m dumb, like, “Why didn’t I say that from the beginning?” But his reaction was also like, “I don’t know homie, so how am I going to put him on the record?”

But then Dame is like, “We don’t know him, and I’m not paying Puff. Fuck that nigga.” And I’m like, “You know I’m DJ’ing for him, you know he’s my man, you know what time it is.” So Dame’s like, “Well, if you can get him, and he’ll do it for free, it’s all good. But if not, we ain’t paying Puff no money, fuck Puff.” So I’m like, “Yo, I gotta go to the bathroom.”

I go downstairs, and I bring B.I.G. up. I’m like, “B.I.G., Jay. Jay, B.I.G.” And everyone in the studio is looking at me like, “Oh, you’s a funny nigga. How you got the dude downstairs waiting?” But I knew Jay would be quick in the booth, so I knew he wouldn’t be waiting long.

Understand, when we were doing “Brooklyn’s Finest,” we were mid-album, so I was playing B.I.G. shit Jay had done way before so he could see how ill he was. So once he got to the point where he knew how crazy Jay was, he was like, “Yeah, I’d rhyme with this guy.”

So Jay was like, “Yo, play it.” And once we played it, Jay was like, “Yo, you down to get on this?” And B.I.G. was like, “Oh yeah, I’ll get on it.”’ So Jay says, “Yo Clark, let it play.” Then Jay walks in the booth and changes everything. Jay goes in the booth and does all of his verses differently. Some new, some different, but he left the spaces. Imagine him going in there going, “This is where I’m going to stop, and this is where I’ll pick it up.” And B.I.G. is there while he’s doing this. And he comes out of the booth and goes to B.I.G., “Are you ready?” And B.I.G.’s like, “What? No, I’m not ready. I need to take that home.” 

So he took the song home with the spaces in them, and two or three months later he came back and did it the same day I was mixing it. But we’re in the studio, and no one wants to do a hook. There’s no hook. And Jay is there too. And I’m like, “Jay, I need a hook.” And he’s like, “Just scratch something. Either you get it done or we don’t use it.” I’m like, “What do you mean? This has to get done. This is phenomenal.”

So I’m trying to scratch everything in the world that says Brooklyn. But it just didn’t sound right. The beat is five bars, and on the fifth bar of the hook, it goes, “Brooklyn, Brooklyn!” So I wanted to scratch that all the way through, but it just didn’t sound good. So I just used it for that part. But I had to think of different things to go in the four bars before it.

So Jay goes, “I’ll be back.” An hour goes by, and he doesn’t come back. Then B.I.G. disappears. Now it’s just Dame sitting in there. And I’m like, “What the fuck am I going to do?” So I just let the record play and play and play, and I start writing down lines to try to come up with a hook. And I did. So I went in the booth, and said the hook, and then I tried to make the engineer change the way my voice sounded as much as possible so it wouldn’t sound like me. It still sounds like me, but me personally, I hate the sound of my voice on the mic, so I wanted it to not sound like me. And I didn’t want to get ridiculed by Jay, because he’s going to kill me if I’m rapping on the song. 

So we go to mastering, and it’s done, and they listen to it one time and they go, “Yo, this shit is crazy! Yo, who’s on the hook?!?” And I’m like, “That’s me.” They’re like, “That ain’t you.” I’m like, “Okay.” But I’m lucky. There was dumb pressure, and I wrote the hook, and everybody loved it.

The sample is a song called “Ecstasy” by the Ohio Players. It’s my favorite song in the universe. I flipped it once before for Dame’s group The Future Sound. It was the remix to their first single, but it was just a one bar loop. It was good, but it didn’t feel like that. Plus, The Future Sound wasn’t Jay and B.I.G.

The song itself was a song that I made Dame and Jay and everyone in our crew like, because I played it every night. When I would DJ, I would play the whole original song. So one day Dame goes, “Yo, you should flip that shit again.” So I flipped it again. And that’s why he says he produced it and took a production credit. It was a great idea, it’s just you didn’t do shit. Get the fuck outta here. But I love Dame though. I want that to be clear. That is my ace.

Big Pun ft. Fat Joe “Twinz (Deep Cover 98)”

Fat Joe: I knew I had to do a song with Pun on his album. I also knew the world was bigger than New York, so we had to do a track that I knew they would play on the West Coast. When Snoop first came out, and him and Dr. Dre did that “Deep Cover,” that was the hardest shit. And nobody had fucked with it. 

So I said, “Yo Pun, let’s go back and forth on this bitch so I can introduce you to the game.” So we sat down and wrote it. Back and forth, we’re going in. Hard. We wrote it together. 

I ain’t bug out when he first said the “Dead in the middle of Little Italy…” rhyme. What happened was, that wasn’t even a rhyme. He used to play around and say that shit, just like he used to walk around going, “Packin’ the Mac in the back of the Ac, packin’ the Mac in the back of the Ac.” These were like jokes to him.

I had to argue with him to put ‘Dead in the middle of Little Italy…’ in the song. I was like, “That’s the hardest shit on Earth.” He was like, “Are you crazy? That’s a fuckin’ joke. Niggas will laugh at me. Are you serious?” Then he did it, and it was the illest shit.

Snoop gave us his blessing and came and did the “Deep Cover” video. And no disrespect, no one can ever say anything about that song. That shit is a body. Get the white sheets out. There’s no way around it. That’s a historic track. Legendary forever.

Mobb Deep ft. Cormega “What’s Ya Poison”

Cormega: I almost was on Hell on Earth, but the song didn’t make the album. It was called “Crime Connection.” That was a dope joint, but I don’t think they could clear it. So when the opportunity came for me to be on Murda Muzik, Havoc had a crazy beat, and I just made sure that I was gonna make the cut this time. It wasn’t gonna be my fault, because I was gonna go as hard as I possibly can. So I spit my verse, and I dug it.

I still didn’t know if the song was gonna come out, because, people don’t know, Mobb Deep makes numerous songs before they put out an album, and then some of them don’t make the cut. That’s why they got so many unreleased gems. So when it made the album, I was proud. Being on a Mobb Deep album was something I wanted to do at that time. The feedback that I get from that at shows—that’s one of the songs I still perform, and when I do that, people lose their mind.

There was an acapella with Prodigy talking to me, and then I just start spitting in the car. It was on the bootleg, but it didn’t make the album. But the song did, so I was happy about that. It was called “Deer Park” at one point, then “What’s Ya Poison.”

One of my favorite songs I ever did is “Killaz Theme” with me and Mobb Deep. Like, I can’t listen to that song once. That’s Havoc. That’s what you call producing. If you play “Killaz Theme” right now I’m gonna rewind it. And I don’t even like listening to my own shit. But that song is like, “Whoa.” 

A Tribe Called Quest ft. Large Professor “Keep It Rollin’”

Large Professor: That’s when Tip had his equipment in Phife’s basement. We used to just go through records. We would go record shopping, go to Phife’s basement, throw the needles on the records, whatever. So we would go through our batch of the stuff we got that day.

So there was this joint, and I looped it up. And my boy Tony Rome, and Yusef, they had looped it up a while ago, and I was like, “Yeah, that shit is hot.” But I never really knew what it was. But when I threw that record up there, I was like, “Oh shit.” Then Tip was like, “Yo, that’s dope!” Then I threw the drums to it, and it was cool.

I didn’t think they were gonna use it. It was crazy. He was like, “Yo, I’m in the studio, and I got that joint that you looped up. Come on, let’s rhyme over it.” And you know, we were going record shopping together while he was working, so it was like, I would hear the work he was doing in his sessions. He’d come through like, “Yo, check this out,” and play me “Lyrics To Go,” and I’d be like, “Yo, that shit is crazy.”

So I rolled through the studio. And I think at that time with Tip, he knew it was right when all the Main Source shit disintegrated. He was like, “Yo, just get it out. We got your back.”

Because I was really, at that time, going through a whole lot, with the breakup of the group, and just myself growing as a person, and now Nas is doing his thing, and like, “Oh shit, now I’m a solo artist.” So Tip was like, “Yo, just come roll with us for a moment.” That’s why all throughout that album he was kind of biggin’ me up, trying to get me to straighten up.

I was torn up over that Main Source shit. I hadn’t planned on being a solo artist. I was the one saying the rhymes, but it was still like, “Yo, scratch this,” or, “Yo, scratch that.” So “Keep It Rollin’” was nice, because it was pretty much like, “Yo, keep it rollin’, man.” For real.

That brought me to a whole other level. A lot of people were like, ‘Who is this guy?’ And then they’d go back to my Main Source stuff. 

I like The Low End Theory. I just like that time better. That’s when I was out in Jersey, and I’d be with the girls or whatever. And the girl, she would be driving me around. And I’d be like, “Yo, you ain’t got that A Tribe Called Quest The Low End Theory?” Next day, she’d have that shit like, “Yo, yeah, this shit is so dope!” All the girls I would be coolin’ out with, I’d be like, “You gotta get that A Tribe Called Quest shit.” That was a nice time.

And then musically, it had a lot of them “rock you to sleep” loops. “Verses from the Abstract” with the live bass. It was real ill. And then, even “Butter.” They were still tricky in Midnight Marauders, but The Low End Theory—and I was kind of involved in The Low End Theory,  because that’s when we really first started clickin’. He would let me hear stuff. I was there when he just had the drum loop for “Check The Rhime.” And he threw the other loop in there, and I was like, “Yo, that’s crazy!”

The Fugees ft. Diamond D “The Score”

Diamond D: Basically Wyclef reached out to me, and I gave him some beats, and that was one of the ones on there. I went out to New Jersey, and that was recorded in his grandmother’s basement. Him, Pras, and Lauryn, they were all downstairs. I laid the beat down, hung out for a little while, and then the next time I heard it, when I came back, it was recorded. And that’s when, at the end of the song, I got on there and spit my couple of bars. They asked me to spit eight bars. I felt like Pras, how he always has eight bars on their songs. Other than that, it was all love. 

They were humble, and they just came off of their first album which was considered a flop. But they had that big single “Mona Lisa,” so that kind of saved them, and they were able to finagle that into a second situation. On a bright note, it just goes to show that if your first joint doesn’t really do what it’s expected to do, if you stay focused, and keep your eyes on the prize, shit can happen for anybody. 

I love that Cymande album. I made those dudes half-a-millionaires from sampling that record. It was up until the paperwork got sorted out, and Cymande got their cut, rightfully so. When it was recorded, Wyclef didn’t clear the sample. So they came after us, and it was a big mess, but everything is sorted out now. I don’t even really like talking about it. Working with them was a cool experience, and I’ll just leave it at that. 

I definitely meant it when I said, “I’m the best producer on the mic.” There’s a few out there. I like Dilla rhymes, Black Milk, Pete Rock, Havoc, Alchemist, or of course Lord Finesse. I could go on and on. But, I mean, what MC doesn’t feel they’re number one anyway? I never heard anyone get on the mic and say, “I’m number two, I’m number two!” 

EPMD ft. LL Cool J “Rampage”

Erick Sermon: Parrish did that. I wasn’t there. I was sick. I wasn’t around though anyway, because Parrish and LL were friends, so sometimes they would hang out without me. And they happened to be in the studio that day, and they were in there rockin’. There are versions out there with them going back and forth without me on it. But the “Rampage” title came from Scratch. He thought the “Rampage” sample would be dope in there.

Russell Simmons told LL Cool J to get with EPMD. He was on, but Russell felt that he needed to be with EPMD. That’s why he came with us and got his swagger back. Nobody knows that part. But LL was on another way, and Russell felt he should be over there with somebody hot, and that was EPMD. So he befriended us, got out and used us, and then came out with Mama Said Knock You Out, and the album was phenomenal.

I think “Rampage” was dope. It was a record where LL and Parrish were secretly battling. People talk about that a lot. LL is a subliminal shot thrower. It turned out to be a great record. I wish I was feeling better. Even Lyor was like, “You sound horrible on that record.” But Parrish was like, “No, fuck that man. We keepin’ that record like that.” I was sick. The beat was up-tempo, so I should’ve been more like I was on “Headbanger.” 

We never performed that. The first time we ever performed that with LL wasn’t until 2009 at Hammerstein Ballroom for the Jam Master Jay memorial thing.

Gang Starr ft. Nice & Smooth “DWYCK”

DJ Premier: Nice & Smooth did a record called “Down the Line,” and they wanted to use the “Manifest” sample. So we did, and hung out with them at Power Play Studios. That’s how we met Bas Blasta, and everybody that was there that day that was on that record. So we said, “Let’s do one in return.” And we needed a b-side for “Take it Personal,” because doing records that weren’t on the album was a big deal back then. Public Enemy was doing it, Ultramagnetic was doing it.

But when we did it, we didn’t know it was gonna be such a big hit. That summer, it was running things! Daily Operation was already out, so the label was like, “Let’s add it on to the album and rerelease it.” We remastered it, added it onto the album, then they reneged and said, “We’re gonna pass on it and leave it as a b-side.” So we were pissed because mad people were buying Daily Operation looking for “DWYCK.” And it was only on 12”. People were like, “Fuck, I bought the album for that song.” I was like, “Damn, you don’t like anything else?” But that’s what they wanted.

So to fix that, when this album came out, we were like, “Let’s make it available this time so if anyone’s ever looking for ‘DWYCK’ on any of our albums, there’s an album that has it.” It wasn’t like, “Let’s capitalize and get rich off it now.” And where you put it is always important. I sequence everything. That’s my DJ mind. 

We made it in 1992. WC was here from L.A. And Don Barron from the Masters of Ceremony was here, because he was cool with Greg. I remember everybody laid their verse. Guru was wasted, and at first, we were like, “He’s gotta say his verse over.” Because he was just saying anything. “Eenie meenie miney mo.” “Lemonade was a popular drink…” “What the?” He was just all over the place. We were like, “His verse is the weakest.” And now when you hear it, everybody loves it!

I’ll never forget, Smooth B kept going, ‘‘Yo Keithie E. I left my Phillie at home.’ ‘Hold on, stop it. Okay, I’m ready.’ ‘Yo Keithie E. I left my Phillie at home.’ ‘Hold up, run it again.’ ‘Yo Keithie E. I left my Phillie at home, do you have another?” He didn’t even have the “I wanna get blunted my brother.” We did probably like twenty takes of that same line, then we were like, “Yo, why don’t you just come back tomorrow?” And he came back, and laid it in one take. And we were like, “Yo, we got a jam.”

We didn’t even have a title at first. But “DWYCK” was a thing everybody used to do, Biz Markie was very big on it. It’s like catching you with your pants down. You would mumble to somebody to get them to go, “What?” So you’d go, “Hey, did you see that dadadada?” And they’d go, “What?” And you’d go, “My dwyck!” [while you grabbed your dick]. So we just called it “DWYCK” because we had no title. Back then, everyone had t-shirts that said, “My Diiiiiiiiiiick.” That was the thing, so that’s how it came about. Flat out.

Black Sheep ft. Q-Tip “La Menage”

Dres: I thought it was so cool that Tip jumped on that with us, and I can definitely say that had much more to do with him and Lawnge’s relationship. Him and Lawnge were pretty tight at that time, and I think Tip was pretty impressed with Lawnge’s ability. 

Little known fact, Lawnge did the cuts on “Buddy.” And just on the strength, Lawnge also gave Tip a couple of beats that Tip wound up using. I’m not exactly sure at this point what records they were used on. They definitely went beat shopping together, and would exchange things, like, “Yo, check this out.” And I know that Lawnge hit him with a couple beats that found their way to records. 

They were much cooler than me and Tip were. I was kind of the outsider. I met everybody through Lawnge, but Lawnge met everybody through Red Alert years prior. Lawnge would come up to New York in the summers, and he met Red Alert. So Lawnge was in the studio with the Jungle Brothers during the making of their first album, and all kinds of cool stuff before me and Lawnge got back together. So Lawnge had a rapport with everyone already, and everyone was just getting to know me. So I’m not sure if Tip would’ve done it if I asked him, but Lawnge asked him, and he checked the track and the track was great.

When we were young in the late ‘80s and early ‘90s, it was almost a form of a sexual revolution. It wasn’t as brash as it is today, where everything is, “Fuck fuck, suck suck, dick, pussy.” So it was kind of like we were walking on uncharted grounds to a degree, for us. And we were at a point where girls had a lot to do with our every day, back then. This is before cell phones, when you had to write down a phone number. So if you could get three, four, five phone numbers in a day, you were the man! You come out the club with five pieces of paper, and it was like, “You did your thing.”

So when we did this record, we were definitely trying to push the envelope, without question. And we were speaking to the fun times that we were having, even if it wasn’t a literal record. It was where our heads were at, like, “We are having so much fun in the pursuit of.” I’m not sure if anyone of us had a ménage at that point, but the thought of it was pretty dope. 

It’s funny, it seemed like the nastier a record was, the more the girls liked it. We thought we were pushing the envelope like, “Oh, girls are gonna have a hard time with us.” The girls were all over it, and we were like, “Wow!” I remember that. It resonated with women. It would be funny to guys, but girls were like, “No, I like that.” It was an awakening of sorts. Even to this day, the worse a song is, that’s the song the girls love. 

Pete Rock & CL Smooth ft. Grand Puba “Skinz”

Pete Rock: The last record we did for the first album was “Skinz.” It was the very last song. That completed the album. We walked out of the studio and it was snowing, and we were on videotape saying we finished the album.

Grand Puba’s family. When it’s family, it’s just a meeting of the minds. Like, “Let me get on that!” “Go ahead!” We were label mates. We were both on Elektra Records. He was right next door to Mount Vernon. We used to hang out in Lincoln Park, we used to be in New Rochelle a lot, in the projects, going to the football and basketball games. I used to do parties in the New Rochelle High School gym. 

Puba wrote my first two raps. We did “The Creator,” and he wrote “Soul Brother #1.” I got inspired to write hanging out with Grand Puba and Brand Nubian. He used to gas me up. We also did a couple basement demos that never came out in my house.

Outkast ft. Raekwon “Skew It On The Bar-B”

Raekwon: That right there really opened up the door for the South to come in hard body if you ask me. Like, when we made that record I can literally say nobody was listening to the South up in New York. Up in the East Coast period. When we did that record and they was playing it on the radio, everybody loved the combination factor that was there. And me, why I done the record anyway from the door was because I get a lot of love from the South, too. Wu-Tang gets a lot of love in the South, so for me to be fans of these cats and they kinda got their own style, I kinda like appreciated them a lot. 

One day I was walking through the mall and I seen Big Boi. I think we both were going to buy some jerseys or something. We were in Atlanta and we both bumped into each other at the jersey stand. So it’s like, “Yo, whattup kid?” “You live out here?” “Nah, I’m just visiting. But, I got a little something out here.” He’s like, “Yo man, we need to get up. Let’s do some things.” I’m like automatically, “No problem.” I’m in your city. You’re inviting me to come do something with you that’s not a problem. The love is there.

Then, once we got in the studio and I heard that beat and Andre 3000 went first I was like, “Yeah, my kinda shit!” And next thing you know we just went in and we just aired that shit out.

They already had the hook and all that so all I needed to do was just come in where they said, “Come in right here.” And, that was another quickie. “Deliver this through your audio…” You know what I mean, like, it was just flyin’ out and shit. And, once that record reached New York it opened up the door for the South.

I don’t even think when they made it wasn’t something that they was banking on like, “This is the way we gonna win New York.” That wasn’t the plan. It was a coincidence record, and it took off because they was doing pretty good where they was at anyway. So when that record came, all it did was it just showed a connection, and it really made me look real big.

That shit blew me the fuck up in the South. When I tell you everywhere I go, clubs, everybody? Everybody in the South knew that record, and it wound up being a situation like Nas being on “Verbal Intercourse.” Now Rae is on “Skew It On The Bar-B” in the South. So, while they blew up, I blew up too. So everything looked like a real chess move, but it was still coming from the heart. It was nothing that was premeditated.

Ghostface Killah ft. Jadakiss “Run”

Jadakiss: I was working on my album. They told me Ghost wanted me to be on his song. I was like, “Cool.” When I heard the beat, the beat was crazy. And then they told me RZA did it, you know, that’s always good for your resume, to bless one of the iconic producer’s tracks. So that was like a no-brainer too. It wasn’t about the money, it was about the legacy.

That’s where our relationship with Wu really started. It worked out good. The video was cool. Ever since then, we good. Right now Sheek and Ghost are working on an album, Wu Block.

I definitely have memories of being young running from the cops. I got memories right now of running from the cops! Last week! Nah, but that verse really came from me watching and having knowledge, just being able to put personal experiences and stuff that I’ve seen growing up in the hood into a sixteen bar verse that you can visualize.

Jay-Z ft. Memphis Bleek “Coming Of Age” 

DJ Clark Kent: Jay knew Memphis Bleek as a little dude in the projects, but he didn’t know he was a rhymer. Jay had this song all ready, and now he’s looking for the rhymer to go on it. It was going to be Lil’ Shyheim, that’s who he was going to get. Then someone told Bee-High and Jay that this little dude Malik—Bleek came from Malik—was spittin’. He was little, but we wanted to hear him because we wanted someone to be on this song.

So me and Bee-High sat with him in the projects and made him rhyme all day like, “Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, say another one, say another one.”  We wanted to believe he was actually an MC before we were like, “Here’s this song, get on it.”

Jay had the whole song laid out already of how he wanted it to be, and told him what he was supposed to do. Jay referenced it already, so he just had to do it. It’s just that he did it so perfectly.

It’s like he did it for cheeseburgers. He ate like twelve $1 cheeseburgers from Wendy’s. We were in my house, and he just keeps eating these cheeseburgers. We’re like, “Where you putting them? You’re like a buck o’ five.”

He was excited to be on the song, but once it was done, it’s like, “You’re here now.” You’re with us, you’re in it, you’re a part of it. Before the album came out, we were performing the shit. We took him everywhere. “Do these shows.” “Why?” “Because you gotta do this song.” And his parents were like, “Only if he’s with you.” We had to take care of him.

Large Professor ft. Nas “One Plus One” 

Large Professor: It was sad, man. It was sad for me. I kind of knew that they were getting ready to drop me. We were starting to go from different studio to different studio. They were like, “Well, maybe it’s the studio. Maybe it’s the engineer.” But it was like, “Nah, I’m good. I’m just recording my shit.”

So we were going to different studios, and that day I was at Battery. I was actually getting ready to record that, and then, all of a sudden, Nas pops into the studio. And I’m like, “Oh shit. What’s up?” He was really good at that point. That was right after It Was Written and everything, so he was good.

So he was like, “Yo, I’m here, man, what’s up? Let me hear what you’re working on.” And I was kind of like, “Yo, who told you to come here? What’s going on?” But either way, I’m like, “Yo, bust what I’m working with.” So I played it, and he was like, “Oh, that’s hot. I gotta write something to this.”

So he sat down and wrote. And I had my rhyme already, and was like, “Yo, this is the kind of shit that I’m talking about.” He was like, “Aiight, cool.” Then he laid it down, and it was me, him, and Grand Wiz in there. And I was like, “Yo, that shit is crazy.”

But that song is really sad to me, because I knew they were getting ready, and I was alone. Before Nas and Grand Wiz came in the studio, I was alone. I was for self. It was just crazy where I was. When I started working, I had a lot of people around. And it seemed like the people were slowly fading away. And now, I’m not at my studio, I’m at this other studio. It was kind of on some problem shit. Then Nas comes in, and he’s problem-free, like, “Yo, smoke heavily..” and that type of shit. And I’m sitting there ready to get dropped from the label! I was on some other shit.

That was a sad time for me, man. I love the song now, when I listen to it, and think about how I survived the times. But it always brings that back fresh. I know the listeners, they don’t know that part of it. But for me personally, that’s a sad one. But it was a nice joint.

SIDE B

Big L ft. Fat Joe “The Enemy”

Fat Joe: That’s one of my proudest songs ever. Big L was like my little brother. He was a member of the Diggin’ In The Crates crew. He was our baby brother. Finesse brought him in. Me and Big L spent a lot of time together, telling jokes, a lot of chilling. I used to mentor him.

Every time you’re rapping with somebody, it’s like a competition, but it goes without being said. I had just went Gold on Don Cartagena, and he was like, “I need you on my record, and I want you to know, I’m gonna rip you down, and take all your fans.” No one ever put pressure like that on me on a song! I’m like, “What, L?” He said, “I’m gonna take all your fuckin’ fans. You went Gold. I need them niggas.” I put my heart, and my best effort into that song. I tried my hardest, because Big L was basically like, “I’m gonna destroy you on this record.” 

Big L would have been a giant in the game. He was one of the best, most lyrical rappers. He was charming, witty, smart—a handsome kid. Real intelligent, an entrepreneur. He was about to get his own label deal. There ain’t no telling what it would have been for him. The sky’s the limit for him. 

Gang Starr ft. Jadakiss “Rite Where U Stand” 

Jadakiss: That was epic. I thought I was just going down to D&D to lay my verse. I got there, I end up laying the verse, then Preem was like, “Where you going man, I need you to do the hook.” I was like, “Come on Preem, I don’t be doing hooks like that.” But he was like, “Nah, I know you can nail it, just sit there for a minute and think about something.” So I went in there and did it. When the beat is knockin’, it really ain’t that hard. Plus he had the concept. He already told me, “The name of this song is ‘Rite Where U Stand.’” before there were any words. It was just a beat and Preem telling me the name.

I was cool with Guru. He wasn’t actually there, I think he was doing some other work at the time, because they were completing their album. But, it’s always an honor to be in the room with Premier. He’s a master, a jack of all trades. He’s a DJ first, a producer, but also just a hip-hop connoisseur. And when he tells you something, you gotta listen.

We did that on Conan O’Brien. Who’s the tall one? Yeah, we rocked Conan. It was cool.

Jeru The Damaja ft. Afu-Ra “Mental Stamina”

Jeru The Damaja: I don’t even know why Guru wasn’t on the album, to be honest. But at that time, you didn’t just make records with everybody. It was just with certain people. Now, the whole album be features. Dudes probably write one verse for every song. 

But back then, it wasn’t like that. It was about showing your merit. It’s my album. And Afu was just my right-hand man, that’s all. He was my sidekick. He wasn’t even rapping at first. I taught him how to rap. 

I got that idea because one of my favorite groups ever is EPMD. And they used to bounce back and forth. I was like, “Yo, I wanna do something like that.”

I’m still into all that. I’m a scientist, to this day. I’m a nerd. I’m just a tough nerd. Math, science, literature. I’m a fan of learning. When computers came out, I put computers together, all types of shit. Any type of knowledge out there, I wanna know.

To get the Rhyme of the Month in The Source?! Come on. That was props. It meant a lot. Every accolade I got meant a lot. As an MC, that’s what you wanted. The Source was the hip-hop bible. The Source meant more than Vibe and all that. If you had Rhyme of the Month in The Source, every MC, producer, record company person—they all knew about it. 

Erick Sermon ft. Redman “Freak Out”

Erick Sermon: Is that beat crazy or what? That shit is phenomenal! Yo, Double or Nothing is one of those records that people in hip-hop say, “Yo Erick, Double or Nothing was my favorite CD of yours.” Because those drums are real. Redman was like, “Boogie boogie to boogie to bang, boogie to back…” He was going in.

Cocoa Brovaz ft. Raekwon “Black Trump”

Raekwon: That’s my Brooklyn boys right there. I’m a big fan of the Cocoa Brovaz, Black Moon, all of them. I love their style. We all came in around the same time, too. And for me, for some reason I guess I was just the people’s choice. They called me in, “Yo Chef, could we get that?” “Of course, y’all Black Moon. Y’all Cocoa Brovaz, Smif-N-Wessun.”

So, we went in and we did that track. They had the name, the title. They called it “Black Trump” ‘cause I guess they felt like they were in their “Scarface” chamber and that was the part they liked, “Guess who’s the Black Trump.” They turned it into a hook so they felt like, “Aiight, if that’s gon’ be the hook then let’s get the Don on it.”

I just went in there and milked it. I loved where they were going with it, and I still feel like they were one of the best duo groups out there representing New York, and I was just excited to be a part of the movement. And, the record wound up coming out hot. We was flowin’ back and forth. It was a Brooklyn and Shaolin thing right then and there.

O.C. ft. Big L “Dangerous”

O.C.: We was in the click together, obviously. D.I.T.C. L was in between deals too at the time. Show and ‘Nesse had got him a deal with Columbia in high school, that’s when he put out Lifestylez. And after he graduated, things didn’t go the way they should have. Or maybe he was destined to be on that label. 

I seen this dude progress. He was in high school when he got his first deal. He was still a kid. So he graduates, his album comes out, gets a little fan fare or whatever. I seen him evolve from “Devil’s Son” to being on the radio spitting with Jay with Stretch and Bobbito. I’m like, “Yo, dude is a problem.” Lyricists know each other. And you can’t sit in a room with Jay, if he opens his mouth, and rock with him if you wasn’t on top of your shit. But that’s the cloth we was cut from. Everyone had a book of rhymes, everybody could execute. 

But L, he was a problem. When he did “The Enemy” record with Joe, he said, “Yo, I’m gonna kill you on your own shit.” I seen him find his pocket, I seen him evolve. But now that I think about it, it makes sense. He was young, man. 

So anyway, I had to chase him around. “Yo, I got an idea.” He’s like, “I’ll be there, I’ll be there, I’ll be there.” He’s running around, doing things, starting Flamboyant. “Yo L, I got a check for you.” He’s like, “I’ll be there in twenty minutes.” He’s funny like that. He was coming anyway, but I’m like, “Nigga, I got some money for you.” And he was there in twenty minutes. He’s like, “You got that in check or cash?” He was funny, arrogant, he’d get on your nerves, push your buttons. But we laughed, he came in, and did his part. 

He was on his grind. He was running out to Queens, chasing money. So I had to wait on him until the next day to do our back and forth parts. But the shit was magic, B. I was like, “You gotta come back.” And I lied to him and said, “I got some more bread for you, too,” just to make sure he’d come back. He came through on time, and stayed a little longer and did the back and forth shit. He was a quick writer. He was quick on his feet, on some Mayweather of rap shit. 

The original breakbeat I think is by Seventh Wonder. It’s a normal record that the DJs would play in the park jams. And I’m one of the cats that grew up on it. I loved it. I brought it to the crew, them niggas laughed me out the studio. “Get outta here with that shit. We D.I.T.C. We dig, we chop, we sample.”

Did the same shit with Walt, and he did the whole Santa Claus laugh with me too. And I’m like, “Oh word?” So I wrote him a check. Then he was like, “So when we going in?” I’m like, ‘‘Ohhhhhh.” But Walt is straightforward. He’d shatter your whole shit. He’s like, “I still don’t like the record.” I’m like, “I’ll rip the check up then.” He’s like, “Nah, nah, nah, nah. We gon’ make it work.”

And, like the dude he is, he didn’t take credit for it, but Preem did the scratches on that. Preem was a pivotal point on that record. 

That record got a lot of radio burn. “Dangerous” was on primetime radio. Fat Boy was like, “Yo, you need to do a video. What are you doing? You’re stupid, O. You have to do it, you have to maximize.” I’m like, “I’m not doing a video, Joe. I got no bread for it.” He’s like, “I’ll do it.” He was a con artist. He could talk a whale out of water. I should’ve listened to him, he was right. It would’ve maximized the album.

The Beatnuts ft. Large Professor “Originate”

Large Professor: Those are my dudes. I love The Beatnuts. We were in there just hangin’ out, going through beats and records. I was like, “Yo, y’all gonna be in here tomorrow?” And they were like, “Yeah.”

So I brought in that beat, and played it for them. They were like, “Aiight, cool.” So I laid it down, and we just bugged out on it. I was reminiscing on the days when we would be nabbing records from the record shops. A record would be like two million dollars, and we would just take it. That was kind of the subject matter, just the dudes that make the ill beats. I’m really happy with how that turned out.

Cormega ft. Large Professor “Sugar Ray and Hearns”

Cormega: I remember that, that’s fresh in my head. It was off the Legal Hustle compilation album. I was in The Cutting Room in Manhattan. J-Love played me the beat, and I’m the type of dude who likes to have my beats in advance. If I’m gonna work with your track, you’ll know, because I’ll have the beat way before I go to the studio. 

So I was in the studio, and I was knockin’ that out. And I told Large, “Yo, you need to get on this.” Large had just produced on my True Meaning album, but he didn’t rap on it, and I was hoping he would. I was like, “Yo, I want you to rap on this. People be forgetting you’re an MC too.” He was like, “Word Mega?” And I was like, “Word.” So we did it. He got on the joint, and it was short, and it was sweet, and people gravitated towards that, and it became what it is. 

Slick Rick ft. Raekwon “Frozen”

Raekwon: That beat was crack right there. Word, I think Rick let me pick that beat, too. This is definitely one of my idols so you know I’m a little nervous. I’m like, “Damn, I’m about to do a joint with one of my favorites!” So, I’m in the studio in the city reminiscing like I’m a little kid again.

I think he played a couple of beats and he’s like, “Yo, which one you think?” I’m like, “Yo, this nigga giving me the opportunity to pick the beat?” So I’m like, “I like that one a little bit better.” He had all kinds of beats. He had Tarzan-sounding kinda beats where he was just doing his voices.

I’m really in there studying this cat like I wanna see how he does this shit. And it was kinda like to me paying homage to one of my idols real quick. And we just went in there and we decided to go back and forth, ‘cause I like shit like that.

When you doing shit with artists that you fuck with, you tend to try to do something different. So we basically were just rhyming, and I was more or less being a fan in the mix of doing what he wanted me to do. To be able to sit there and watch Slick Rick work, it was more of just an experience for me.

He was like, “Yo, just do eight real quick, and then I’ma come back and do eight, then you come back.” I’m like, “Word, that’s how you want it? Aiight, let’s do it like that.” So I had to make sure there was a certain bar that I had to stop at and then he was gonna come in and do his thing.

I was just groupied out right then and there. I’m not even gonna front. I’m like, “Yo, I’m with my nigga.” So while I’m focused on the song I’m thinkin’ about, “Damn, I went to Union Square and heard ‘Mona Lisa.’” That’s what was going on then. It was a fun time.

That record allowed me and Rick to become real good friends. To this day me and Rick still keep in touch. That’s my dude. Just recently he had a birthday party and they called me and I came out and brought the cake to him. Good brother.

EPMD ft. Redman “Hardcore”

Erick Sermon: I met Reggie at Club Sensations in Newark, New Jersey. Reggie was DJing for DoItAll from Lords Of The Underground. And DoItAll rhymed. And he said, “My DJ rhymes too.” And Reggie said one line—“I float like a butterfly, Sting like the rock group.” And I put him on stage that night. I already knew there was something spectacular about him. Right off the bat. The next day, we talked. And within the next two or three months, he moved to Long Island, to my crib. He moved right into my apartment.

Parrish really liked Reggie too. That’s why he was on the album twice, on “Hardcore” and “Brothers On My Jock.” People thought that our voices were similar, and some people didn’t know that was him on “Brothers On My Jock.” Even when Redman got signed, Lyor Cohen said, “Well, he sounds too much like Erick.” And I was like, “I’’m nice, but I ain’t that nice!” But I guess it was the tone.

I was already making songs for Whut? Thee Album, but “Hardcore” was the first record we recorded with Redman for EPMD. Reggie’s thing for “Hardcore” was that all the rappers down with EPMD had a lot of style. Das EFX was with us too at that time, but you wouldn’t know that. And Redman had heard K-Solo with “Spellbound” and he wanted to do something in that realm, doing the thing with the letters.

That’s how “Hardcore” came. It was for him to do that monumental verse. With Das EFX and K-Solo doing them, he had to come with something. The record was for EPMD, but we ended up doing a teaser for his album with his “Hardcore” verse, which got people amped because it was the first time they saw Reggie by himself.

Scratch did the cuts on “Hardcore,” but Redman did the cuts on “Manslaughter.” The first time we ever performed “Hardcore” was this past Friday night at the Hit Squad Reunion show at Best Buy Theater. That’s why that show was so exciting. I don’t even wanna brag about it. It was fantastic.

Ice Cube ft. Das EFX “Check Yo Self”

DJ Muggs: I had done a couple songs with Cube, “We Had to Tear This Mothafucka Up” and “Now I Gotta Wet ‘Cha” in L.A. And I was in New York, and he was here, and wanted to record. So I was like, “Cool.” And he was like, “I got Das EFX, they’re gonna kick the chorus.” And I was like, “Word?” Das EFX had just dropped, and they were sick.

Cube picked that beat, and that was supposed to be an interlude on the Funkdoobiest album. But he called me, and was like, “Yo, you got any beats?” So I just put everything on a cassette and went over there. And you know, when you’re playing someone beats, and you don’t like one, you hear the two first bars and start to fast forward? And he goes, “No, what’s that? Go back.” And I’m like, “You sure?” He’s like, “Yeah.” I’m like, “Alright.” But in my head I was like, “This beat is wack! He’s trippin’. Fuck!”

So even when he spit on it and I heard it, I liked the song, but I didn’t like my beat. But it fuckin’ blew up. Then he did the remix with ‘‘The Message,’’ and it went to another level. The song ended up becoming a #1 record, a fuckin’ Platinum single.

Then it was funny, Salt-N-Pepa used it a couple years later on “Shoop.” When I heard that, I was like, “Oh, it must’ve been a good sample then.” But the difference is, I sampled it on the SP-1200, where you only have 2.5 seconds on each pad. So I would have to sample it on 45, and then slow it down. But when you slow it down, that’s what makes it all dirty. My shit is all dirty and dusty. Theirs was all clean and concise.

Prodigy ft. Roc Marciano “Death Sentence”

Roc Marciano: Pee was out there working with Al, and I swung through. And he had some shit up, and was like, “Yo, if you wanna get on, get on.” And I was like, “Alright, absolutely.” So we just worked on the song right then and there. Knocked that shit out. We were done in about an hour. The song is fire. I can’t wait ‘til we can get on stage and give that to the people live. 

I’ve been on other songs with him, but I’ve never been in the studio with him working. But it was just like recording with one of the homies. Pee’s a Hempstead nigga, he’s from my neck of the woods. I’ve been hearing them brothers come up. We used to record in 510 Studios. That was Public Enemy’s studio. The Bomb Squad and all them worked out of there. And as kids, we were all working out of there. I knew this dude who was an apprentice to the Bomb Squad, and he was making Mobb’s beats, and beats for me and my man. And they had a deal back then, so I used to see them back then. So we know each other from the hood.

Mac Miller ft. Jay Electronica “Suplexes Inside of Complexes and Duplexes”

Mac Miller: Jay Electronica may or may not be a real person. He might be just an energy. He might be invisible. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s just a spirit. We all have a little Jay Electronica. 

He sent me the verse two hours before I went in to master it. The album was done, and I was like, “Bro, the album is done. Tell me now if you’re gonna do this. No hard feelings if you can’t, I completely understand.” He was like, “I promise you.” And he would be sending me texts just randomly throughout the whole album process, like, “Don’t turn your album in without me.” The whole time, we’d been talking about doing this record.

It was dope because, I sent him a couple options. Three tracks. And the one that I produced, he picked that one, which is just a simple canvas. But it’s crazy. He was like, “I got you, I promise.”

Then, he sent me an email with the lyrics he was about to spit. I was like, “This verse is about to be insane!” It was very interesting, and artistically punctuated. The punctuation in the email was crazy. Next level. Then, he sent the verse as I was basically on my way to mastering. I got it just in time. 

I knew he would, though. I’ve waited on verses from people that didn’t send them, and I always had that feeling like, “He’s not gonna send it.” But I always had that feeling with him like, “He’s gonna send it.” And he did. It was the same thing with Wayne on Macadelic, because Wayne fit the vibe of that project perfectly. And that’s kind of like Jay Electronica with this project.

RIP DJ Clark Kent and Mac Miller.

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STORYTAPE ’95

Interviews, Music, Published Material, The Good Old Days, Videos

Written by Daniel Isenberg

1995 was an incredibly dope year for rap music. And thankfully, I’ve had the opportunity throughout my career as a writer to interview the artists and producers that made it so incredibly dope. So to celebrate the nine-nickel appropriately, I dug in my docs and put together a mixtape-esque collection of stories behind 25 classic songs released in 1995, as told to me by some of the most legendary names in hip-hop, including Diamond D, DJ Clark Kent, DJ Muggs, Erick Sermon, Fat Joe, Ghostface Killah, Large Professor, Pete Rock, and Raekwon.

Okay, let’s set STORYTAPE ’95 off with SIDE A: THE SINGLES. These songs all had a music video back in ‘95, too.

SIDE A: THE SINGLES

Method Man & Redman “How High (Remix)”

Erick Sermon: “How High” came from Dr. Dre and Ice Cube’s “Natural Born Killaz.” If you play “How High” and you play that, it’s the same beat. I didn’t use the same sounds, but the melody and the way the bass line is going is the same. I used the melody of “Natural Born Killaz” to make “How High.” It was incredible.

I played the beat over. At that time, I was using a Roland W-30 station. It was like an ASR-10, but by Roland. And I played the bass line. That’s what I do. I play keys. Since ‘89, this is what I was doing.

So me and Russell hooked them up, for The Show soundtrack. They were in the studio, and I walked in, and I couldn’t see shit. There was so much smoke in the room. They’re the most consistent blunt smokers you will ever meet in your life, besides Snoop and them. Nobody smokes more blunts than Red and Meth. The room, you can’t see in it.

So I come in there with that beat, my version of “Natural Born Killaz.” And they start writing to the beat. And that was them saying, “How High,” because they’re in there smoked out of their minds!

So I had the original record, but it was street to me. But my mind is saying, “I got Red and Meth on a record. I’m not going out like this. I’m making something bigger.” So I go and remix it.

I had a Crusaders sample, and then in the studio, somebody had an acapella of some band that had done the vocals for that classic “Fly Robin Fly” part over. It was the weirdest shit. So I took it, and put it in the key of what my Crusaders loop was in. Fuck it.

And then, I took the vocals, and took the parts that I liked, and put them in the remix. The original version was longer, and had different, longer verses. So I was chopping them up the way I liked them. 

They didn’t like the remix at first when I made it. They hated it. When they got to the video shoot, and saw they were using the remix, they were pissed. They were expecting to go and shoot the video to the hard version. They were like, “This isn’t the one we want.” They thought it was too soft. But I told them, “Trust us.”

At the end of the day, it sold one million records. And to this day, they still thank me for that. 

Cypress Hill ft. Erick Sermon, Redman, and MC Eiht “Throw Your Hands In The Air”

DJ Muggs: We put the album out, and it was running its course, and then, we wanted to give the album a little boost. So you give it another three months of life. So at that time, that was that. And it came out so gangster.

I had always been an Erick Sermon and Redman fan, so I had reached out to them, like, “What do I have to do to get you guys on a record? How much is it gonna cost?” And they were like, “Nothing. We’re fans. We want to do it.” Fuckin’ A. Then I wanted to get somebody from the West. So I got MC Eiht.

Fuckin’ MC Eiht wrote his verse in fifteen minutes and laid it in one take. I was like, “Wow.” It blew me away, man. I wasn’t used to seeing people write their shit that quick.

We went and shot the video in L.A. with my boy McG, who ended up doing the big show The O.C. and Charlie’s Angels. So we did some of the first videos he shot. The video was great. The concepts and the ideas he had, like putting MC Eiht in front of all the hubcaps, and the way he shot from the side.

Redman was the funkiest, sickest motherfucker. Cypress Hill had a lot of influence on Redman early on. It’s funny, because he had a big influence on us, but we had a big influence back on him. It was like an exchange of energy. We used some of their samples, and they used some of ours, and nobody ever sued. There was more respect at that time for things, and people using samples.

Even when I had used the samples on the first album from Wild Style, Fab 5 Freddy was like, “That’s hip-hop, I’m glad you used that.” Mark the 45 King said the same thing. You see fools now, they’re trying to sue you off a fucking mixtape like, “Oh, you’re making money off your shows, and selling t-shirts.” It’s like, “Wow, it’s getting that bad? Shut up, it’s a fucking mixtape.”

Tha Alkoholiks ft. Diamond D “Next Level”

Diamond D: I met Tha Liks through an A&R at Loud Records. I don’t know if it was Matty C or my other man, but they reached out to me. They flew out to New York, and came up to the Bronx to hang out with me. I played them a couple of joints. The basic foundation of “Next Level” was already made. Then we flew out to L.A. and recorded it.

I wrote my verse right there on the spot, just so I could capture that moment and it could be fresh. We shot the video in downtown San Francisco at first, and then we rode out towards the Pacific to some National Park or something and shot some of the scenes out there too.

They liked to party, but when it was time to work, it was time to work. It wasn’t like they were running around with no discipline.

Me and Tha Liks stayed in touch all these years too. I’m supposed to be working on their new album. I did one joint with them already, and I think Kurupt is on it.* I’m just waiting to hear the rough mix of it.

*ip note: The song ended up being “We Are The People Of The World” of featuring Diamond D, Tha Alkaholiks, and Kurupt, which was released on Diamond D’s 2014 album The Diam Piece.

Raekwon ft. Ghostface Killah “Criminology”

Raekwon: That’s a beat that RZA had in the basement that sounded real big and real strong. This was when we were in our Cuban Linx chamber and we were starting to build that album. That record right there was definitely one of the records where we were like, “Yo, we dare anybody to get in our way right now.” Me and Ghost were just blood thirsty wolves right there. The beat was so strong, we already knew that that was definitely gonna be one on the album that niggas was gonna be like, “Yo, them boys from Staten Island ain’t playin’ on this microphone.”

We wind up doing the video. You know me, orchestrating the video, “I need Benzes, jewels, and waterfalls behind shootin’ to the right.” We actually went into the desert and found a waterfall that shot to the right. I told Ghost, “I need you to be Vincent ‘Chin’ Gigante right now. Don’t have no mutherfuckin’ gear on, all I need you in is a mean robe.” And he was like, “Yeah, you right. I’ma just run with the robes.” And, the next thing you know, he’s the robe man.

I’m telling you, from that record it opened up the door. It started it. So now it’s, “Yeah, I need my jewels and a robe, I ain’t wearin’ no clothes no more.” I was all the way into my mafia chamber, so I’m telling him, “Yeah this is how I need you to be. You’re my underboss. Yeah, you come, you walk around. We gonna do it like this.” It was just a hot video man.

Fat Joe “Envy”

Fat Joe: “Envy” was a bit of a challenge for me. It was smooth. That was the first time Fat Joe was trying to be on some fly shit. But it was still hard. If you listen to the lyrics, they’re real hard. 

L.E.S. gave me that sound. He was Nas’ DJ forever, and he was a tremendous producer. The fact that I had someone down with Nas, who was the best rapper in the game at the time, was incredible.

L.E.S. gave me the beat, and was like, “Yo, you can rap to this.” I was like, “I don’t know if this shit is too smooth, and if niggas will still fuck with me. You know, I’m Army fatigue’d, Chucker’d up.” But he was like, “Nah Joe, just spit that hard shit over this smooth shit.” He opened the door to me using melodic beats and talking that fly shit so a girl could relate. Even though it was still a little too hardcore, girls could relate, and we could get it played on the radio.

People love it. To this day, people tell me about that song. And that was before we were clearing samples. So we didn’t even have to pay. It was crazy. 

AZ ft. Nas “Gimme Yours”

Pete Rock:  I met AZ way before Nas. I was working with AZ when we both were nobodies. I met AZ through a friend of mine who was from the Bronx and moved to Mount Vernon right on my mother’s block, and we became real close and used to hang out with each other a lot.

He knew AZ, and one day he introduced me to him. We were working with him down in my basement, and we used to go out to East New York to look for him and pick him up and bring him back to the house to work with him.

“Gimme Yours” happened the same time “Rather Unique” happened. I just ended up doing two. He picked two beats. And he said, “I’m gonna put Nas on the hook.” They were in the studio together. At that point in time, people were still in the studio with each other, before this email stuff came out. We were at Greene Street studios in Manhattan. It was quiet and fun, that’s about it.

We were excited and really happy for his first record deal. Him and Nas developed a relationship, he got on Illmatic, made that hit record “Life’s A Bitch,” and that helped him get his deal. 

Junior M.A.F.I.A. “Player’s Anthem”

DJ Clark Kent: I knew B.I.G. before he made records because of the neighborhood he was in, and I was cool with people in the neighborhood. I was very cool with Lance ‘Un’ Rivera, and Justice, Gutter, D-Roc, Daddy-O, all of them. I was cool with 50 Grand, who was his DJ, and who was Dana Dane’s DJ before I became Dana Dane’s DJ. And I was B.I.G.’s DJ too after 50 Grand. That’s crazy, right?

I would hear B.I.G. and be like, “This guy’s incredible. He’s dope.” His manager Gucci Mark grew up in my neighborhood, and I was practically like a big brother to him. When it was time for B.I.G. to do shows, they were like, “We need the best show DJ. Clark’s the best show DJ.”

The first time he came to my house, we clicked instantly, because we were already cool. I was there when he was making records. I gave him one of his first shows to perform. I had a birthday party, and I was like, “Yo, come to my party and do a show.” And he came and did “Party and Bullshit,” and had the fight scene on stage and everything. It was at The Shelter. It was absolutely insane. 

So Ready To Die comes out, and we’re on tour, and he just decides he’s going to make Junior M.A.F.I.A. records. One day on the bus, he’s like, “Yo Clark, play me some beats.” So we go home, and we come back on the tour, and I got beats. So I’m playing beats, and he’s like, “We’re gonna use that for Junior M.A.F.I.A.” And he makes up that hook as soon as that beat comes on in the bus, and I’m like, “Oh shit, this is gonna be dumbness.”

In my mind, I’m like, “Do that for yourself!” But we’re on the tour, so we’re just going to do whatever is happening. And every beat that was chosen for that album was a joint effort between me and him and sometimes Lance and sometimes Jacob, which is why I got executive producer credit on it. We all had to agree that those beats were going to go on that album.

That was the first time you heard Kim. She bodied it. She wasn’t on tour with us at that point. Lil’ Cease was on tour because he was one of the hype men.

That record was done instantly. As soon as all the verses were done, without them even being chopped up or edited at the end properly, we mixed it and made an acetate, and took it to the club. We went to The Tunnel and were like, “Yo, play the record.” And niggas was like, “What do you mean, ‘Play the record?’” And we were like, “Play the fucking record.”

It was me, and B.I.G., and Un, and Just, and we were standing next to the wall, like, “Wait ‘til you see what happens when this comes on.” And Big Kap is like, “New Biggie and Junior M.A.F.I.A.!!!” And Kap put the record on, and motherfuckers went crazy. When the song started in The Tunnel, that shit sounded like a movie.

And we’re just standing there, not even flinching, and the chorus comes in, “Grab your dick if you love hip-hop.” And people are like, “What the fuck is going on here?!? What is this?!?” Then Lil’ Cease comes in. Then B.I.G.’s verse comes in, and once B.I.G.’s verse hits you, it’s like, “Oh no, this is really ill.” And then the chick starts rapping! And niggas is like, “What the fuck is that?!?” 

We’re in the club, and that’s the first reaction, in The Tunnel, with nine million motherfuckers in there. They brought it it back a thousand times, and played that shit over and over and over. And we’re standing there, and I’m looking at B.I.G. like, “I told you son. We’re good money.” And Un is like, “Yo B.I.G.! We good B.I.G., we good. This shit crazy. Yo Clark man, me and you, we’re gonna be…” That shit was fucking hilarious. But that’s what it was.

But that record was so crazy because it was instant. It did so well in the club, that it wasn’t like we just gave it to the mixtapes. Motherfuckers had test pressings a week later, and then everybody had it.

And the video was kind of crazy too, with the planes and all kinds of surveillance. People were like, “Damn, how’d they get all that already?” We had a good budget over there. Those were the good days.

Raekwon “Incarcerated Scarfaces”

Raekwon: I wrote that song right there for all my niggas that was locked up. I happened to just be thinking about it. I think one of my mans had just went away for a long time. I wanted to have something on the album to represent the niggas that’s inside the belly of the beast. You got a lot of cats also that wear that scar on their face. So I definitely just wanted to shout out all the criminals on that record right there. All the ones that’s incarcerated, they Scarfaces, too. Plus, whoever walking around with a buck fifty or three hundred on their face, this record’s for you. When you think ain’t nobody paying attention to you, Chef thought about you.

I just was rhyming man. I came in RZA’s basement one night and he just had that shit poppin’, and I looked around the room and nobody was there. I was like, “I want this shit! This is me!” I wrote my rhyme in maybe like fifteen minutes. The whole three verses. I was just flying. It was just coming to me ‘cause that’s how I get it in sometimes. If something really yokes me up like this, the beat just go, then I’m ready to get on it. I just aired that shit out in like fifteen minutes. Before you know it the song was popping, hook on it, everything. We like, “That’s Cuban Linx.”

It pops in the club. That’s definitely a lot of people’s favorite record. Especially when I go to Connecticut. I call it the Connecticut anthem. It’s like I just put a whole state in my pocket when I did that. I feel like if I’m anywhere in the world, especially Connecticut, if I’m fucked up, somebody gonna hold me down just based on that record.

Too $hort ft. Erick Sermon “Buy You Some” 

Erick Sermon: Too $hort saw me in The Source magazine, and was like, “Yo Erick, what are you doing in Atlanta?” And I’m like, “Yo, I’m down here.” So he came. Scarface too. They all came when they saw me in The Source. Scarface came, $hort came, and Pac came. I was in The Source for my rim shop. It said, “Erick Sermon Moves to Atlanta.” 

He was my friend. I knew him from the industry. He came out the same year, in ’88. So I was in Atlanta, and he came about two years later. $hort had a lot of money. And when he got his studio up, my boy said, “Let’s go to $hort’s studio.” So we went there, and we made the record. That was the first one we did.

I was really hostile on that record. I was cursing a lot on the song. That was a raunchy record compared to what Erick does. But I had wrote that record on a freestyle or something. 

But that record was so monumental, because while the East and West coast was beefin’, two guys from the East and West coast had a hit record out together. On the low, it was a hit record. When I came home to New York, I couldn’t believe it was big. Funkmaster Flex blew it up here.

Then I performed it at the Apollo, and when I brought $hort out, on the Survival of the Illest tour! Oh my god! Pandemonium! That record played on Atlanta radio for ten years straight. But it blew up to a huge record, out the blue. $hort sold a million records on it. It was on a Dangerous Crew compilation, but he put it on his album too. And we did a remix with MC Breed too—God bless the dead.

Fat Joe “Success”

Fat Joe: I was really from the streets and I really did hustle in a major way. When I got my record deal, I left the streets alone, as far as hustling. I never ever hustled again. I said, “I’m gonna change my life, I’m going legit. This is where I’m at.”

But when you get in the rap game, no matter how hardcore rap is, there’s a bunch of nice guys in this business. I was busy trying to act like a nice guy, trying to make people not be scared of me and work with me because I’m sure they were hearing horror stories from the streets. But then, Jay-Z was about to drop a whole drug dealer album, Biggie was talking about hustling, and they were talking about shit I really did.

So, at one point, I was like, “I know I’m trying to change my life and be b-boy hip-hop, but this is the lifestyle I know. Can’t nobody describe it like me. They know I got the real stories.” In fact, Biggie and me were really cool, and we used to talk every other day on the phone, and “Success” was the one song he ever complimented me on. He was like, “You stepped your shit up, man! Damn, Joe!” Biggie was a great dude. So humble. I watched him become the biggest guy on earth, but still be majorly humble.

I think Biggie was out of town when we did the video. I had Big L, Rosie Perez when she was like the baddest chick. Nas was in it, Raekwon. Diamond D, Showbiz, Ghostface, LL. The kings of the game. The whole world came out and was like, “Crack, what’s up!” I had Nas and Common in the Bronx. Whooo! We had a great time.

DJ Premier, KRS-One, Doug E. Fresh, Fat Joe, Mad Lion, Smif-N-Wessun, and Jeru The Damaja “1, 2 Pass It”

Fat Joe: That was classic, because for years I had worked on doing albums at D&D. It was Preemo’s home base. Everything with Premier was done at D&D. At the same time, that was the hangout. We would go to D&D, shoot pool, and talk to everybody.

Being that it was a posse track, they said they only needed eight bars. So I turned around and did it. And you know, Lord Finesse was who inspired me to even rap. So at that time, I thought Finesse should have been on that record. So I think subliminally I threw a little shot, and was like, “Motherfuckers know who’s the best, if it ain’t Fat Joe then it must be Lord Finesse.” That was letting them know, “Yo, that’s my brother, and I don’t know what he ain’t doing on this. But he deserves to be on here.”

Then Preemo sampled my line, “Bring it on if you think you can hang” on Jay-Z’s album. I saw Jay-Z, and he was like, “Yo man, we’re gonna send you some publishing. We used your voice on this.” That shit was cool. Reasonable Doubt is a classic album. That whole album was crazy. To have my voice on there was dope.

Junior M.A.F.I.A. ft. Aaliyah “I Need You Tonight” 

DJ Clark Kent: Faith Evans was on the song at first, but we got Aaliyah involved because she was young. Faith sang the hook first, but it kind of didn’t make sense to have all these young kids on the record with this grown woman singing. So we got Aaliyah on the record. Plus, Aaliyah was on Atlantic Records also, so it wasn’t like we had to get her cleared. It made sense, and it felt right.

I worked at Atlantic Records, so I knew Aaliyah since she was crazy young. When she was fifteen and signing record deals, I knew her. It was perfect to work with her. It was simple, because she was too talented. “Here’s the hook, sing it again.” And she sang it again. She was dope.

That was Biggie’s idea to use the Lisa Lisa record as the hook. He knew exactly what he wanted to hear.

Okay, now let’s flip to SIDE B: THE DEEPER CUTS and hear the stories behind some album favorites, remixes, and even an unreleased Nas gem. No videos for these joints here, but peep the audio while you read the stories for the full experience. Enjoy.

SIDE B: THE DEEPER CUTS

Mobb Deep ft. Nas and Raekwon “Eye For A Eye (Your Beef Is Mines)” 

Raekwon: It was payback time. It was payback for the friendship and the love that Queensbridge and Shaolin had together. They’re building up their Queensbridge medals and shining ‘em up, and they called me in to get on that record. All I did was come in the studio and hang out with them. We was gettin’ bent and all that. But that beat, everybody’s head just kept knockin’.

So that beat was just freshly made once we all got into the studio together. I remember P was up in there first settin’ it off, and Havoc came behind him. And me and Nas was over there in the corner writing. Like, one thing about me, I think I was more excited just chillin’ with niggas than writing. Like, I was always the type of nigga like, “Aiight, you go. Gimme like ten minutes.” So a lot of my rhymes are wrote quick. Like, that’s what cats always say about me, like, “Yo Chef you write so fuckin’ fast.” I’m like, “‘Cause I get open quick.” If I get open off of something then it makes me write like that. 

I’m a big fan of Mobb and Nas. Queens rappers excite me more than Brooklyn rappers for some reason. I don’t know. I like Queens rappers. I like how they rhyme. I like the beats they be picking. And, at that time Havoc was young, but nice. So you know I’m always for the young thoroughbred. Anybody that’s just feeling to me like they on some young G shit. Yeah, I wanted to fuck with them.

Him and P, they already had their potions and me and Nas were just in the back like, “This is it.” The next thing you know we just went in and did what we did. Honestly, I wasn’t even writing that hard, I wrote something just to participate and it wound up being a classic.

Raekwon ft. Ghostface Killah and Nas “Verbal Intercourse”

Raekwon: Another one of my favorites right there. That one right there though, the beat was sick. RZA was just dominating where he wanted to take this record, and I was just right there with him all the time co-signing the beats. At that time me and Nas were real close. He would come see me at my crib. I’d come see him up in Queens. And I always told him I want him on the album.

So one day I brought him out to Staten Island. We went to RZA’s house and he went to the basement and he was listening to the beat and I’m like, “Yo, this is the one I’m thinking I need to have you on.” And we would just sit there for an hour listening to the beat. Now mind you, I didn’t even write my rhyme yet. I just knew, this beat is going on the album.

So Nas is automatically like, “Yeah this is it, but I don’t know what rhyme to fucking come with.” I’m like, “Fuck it. What you got?” He got a couple lines. I’m like, “Fuck it, go in the booth.” So now, I’m in the back on some A&R shit. Ghost walked in. We all just chillin’. Next thing you know, Nas is up in there trying all different kinds of rhymes. He’s my guest, so I’m definitely paying attention to what he’s doing ‘cause at the end of the day I’m gonna make sure that he does what he needs to do.

He was trying shit and I was like, “Nah that ain’t it right there.” And then once he said that, “Through the lights, cameras, and action,” I looked at niggas in the room. Everybody looked at me. I’m like, “That’s it!” I stopped him and said, “Yo, that’s the verse. Do that one.” And ever since when he did that one, it was one of the best verses in hip-hop today. 

When that came out, Nas was just really starting to be heard more. He was starting to get his buzz up now as far as being a Queensbridge representative. People were seeing that this nigga’s nice, but we helped put that credibility on it even more when that record came out. So it was definitely one that people was like, “Yo, I love this shit because this little nigga over in Queens is nice. Then he’s fucking wit y’all and then the record is mean.” So, it kinda helped everybody’s position grow in the game at that time.

Fat Joe ft. KRS-One “Bronx Tale”

Fat Joe: This was my second album, I would’ve been extinct in hip-hop if I didn’t step my game up lyrically. Because this is around the time that Nas, Biggie, and then Jay-Z came out. So the game was getting real lyrical. You couldn’t away with, “Bust it, check it, watch how I wreck it.” I couldn’t get away with that. If that was the case, you were played out. So I studied a lot of Nas, and a lot of other artists, and I analyzed the game, and knew I had to step up my game lyrically.

Of course, KRS-One is my idol. My three main idols were LL Cool J, KRS-One, and Heavy D. Actually being from the Bronx, and seeing the growth of KRS-One, I think I’m his number one fan ever. 

I was there the first time he did “South Bronx” at a block party. So to actually have him come to the studio and work with me, and then rap on the record with the guy who I know is a million times better than me and still have to represent myself was a big challenge. And it was the biggest honor.

After the success of my first album, and the success of “Flow Joe” kind of faded, I was struggling to make some money and make ends meet. And KRS knew that, so he took me on the road with him, and I was his hype man. I was kind of like his Flava Flav at the time.

So when I started doing my second album, I knew I was going to do a song with him. The problem was, I didn’t want to get shitted on. So I knew I had to step my lyrics up and talk that shit. And I think I did pretty well.

For “Bronx Tale,” I just wanted that hard shit. At this point, I was just so hard. I don’t even know how to explain it to you. I just wanted to come with the hardest shit. That’s all I knew. I never thought I would be making a song with Chris Brown or R. Kelly.

But even though I was a hard dude, I played P.M. Dawn. I played De La Soul, and Native Tongues. I would bump A Tribe Called Quest in my car all day. But my preference for making music was hardcore, gangster shit. Still, to this day, my preference is making hard shit.

KRS-One ft. Busta Rhymes “Build Ya Skillz” 

Diamond D: BX baby, BX! Kris reached out to me for that. We came up loving KRS-One. “South Bronx” and all those iconic songs. Working with him was an honor. And he paid me what I wanted too. But I would have done it for half. But, you know, no man is going to talk himself out of no guap.

That’s one of those gems that not too many people even know about right there. The beat was made already, and when he heard it, he was like, “This is the one right here.” I think I might’ve left and came back, and the shit was done.

At the beginning, Busta’s on the record talking. I don’t remember if he was just in the session or what. I do know that song led to us working together down the road just from Busta telling me that he was really feeling that beat.

AZ “Rather Unique”

Pete Rock: “Rather Unique” was ill because I had it perfected, with the beat ready with all these nice little fill-ins and drum stuff going on. And the assistant engineer stepped on the plug by accident, and I didn’t save it, and I had to re-make it. I had it going better than what you hear now. It was crazy. I had it going really dope before. I just did what I could, but there were certain things I did that I couldn’t remember from when I was programming it. I was mad.

Nas ft. AZ and Biz Markie “Understanding”

Large Professor: I was involved in an earlier version of “Life is Like a Dice Game” where he didn’t actually name it “Dice Game.” We did it over the same sample as Junior M.A.F.I.A.’s “Get Money,” the original. It was earlier though. I had hooked it up. Everyone was going to those record conventions, so records would come in waves. And I was catching a lot of those records earlier, and knowing to freak them early. But it never came out. I think that’s the same session we did “Understanding.”

That was Biz’s idea. Biz called me one day, and was like, “Yo! You know what would be dope? To get Nas to rhyme over that Grover Washington joint.” And I was like, “Word? You think so?” And then I called Nas, and was like, “Yo, this is what Biz said.” And he was like, “Then we gotta do it.”

So I hooked the beat up, and we went to the Greene Street Studios, and knocked it out. We never mixed it or took it through the whole process, it was just a flinger. But Grandmaster Vic was there, Biz was there, AZ. Raekwon came through. Nas was just starting to work on It Was Written. Those were sessions between Illmatic and It Was Written. That was one of the first sessions when he started getting in the swing of working again.

Common Sense “Resurrection (Extra P. Remix)”

Large Professor: The one that everyone likes I think is the “Extra P. Remix” with the long movement. What happened was, I did the other one, with the Jungle Brothers cut, “That’s what it is,” and Com got back to me and was like, “I like it. But I want something different. This is more b-boy, hip-hop. I want something in an iller zone.”

So I was like, “Aiight, cool.” So I went back, and came back with some crazy, zoned out movement shit. And I sent that one, and he was like, “Yeah, that’s what I’m talkin’ about.” So I was happy, man.

And that was when I first met him. He rolled through for the remix, we were in the city. That was dope. That was a nice session. He did the vocals over, and flipped the verse with a few different lyrics. He signed my album, like, I was in there in fan mode. Yeah, New York definitely embraced him.

I like the second one better. It was on some zoned out shit, and that’s where I was at that time.

Junior M.A.F.I.A. “Realm Of Junior M.A.F.I.A.”

DJ Clark Kent: That was probably like the last record we did for the album. It was some fun shit. Biggie wanted to rhyme to an old school beat. So I sampled the “UFO” record and put drums under it, and made it play out properly. And I did it, and we went in the studio, and it was done.

B.I.G. liked Lil Jamal. He was Lil too. We’re looking at him like, “You’re practically Junior M.A.F.I.A. to us.” And that’s what happened. Lil Jamal with all the Lils.

But come on. “I got that venom rhyme like Sprite got lemon-lime, Donna Karan dime, keep her hair done all the time, my rhymes, somewhat Shakespearean, blood I’m smearin’ ‘em, tongue kissin’ my lawyer at the hearing, in this day and age, my rap is like the plague, I married this shit y’all niggas still engaged, turn blowouts to 360 waves.” Get the fuck outta here!

There’s another song on that album, “Oh My Lord” with Kleptomaniac, that he went crazy on too! People missed these songs because they didn’t pay attention to the whole Junior M.A.F.I.A. project.

I was in the lab for every record on that album, because I was A&R’ing that album. That verse on “Realm of Junior M.A.F.I.A.” was the one that had me going, “Are you hearing this shit?” We were on tour, and I was playing B.I.G. Jay-Z music, and I’m telling him, “Dog, my man’s the best.” He’s going, “Clark, you’re crazy.” “Dead Presidents” comes out. He’s like, “He’s saying it, but…” Then “Dead Presidents II” comes out, and he goes, “Alright Clark, you got it. Dude is crazy.” Then Un calls up, and he’s like, “Yo B.I.G. did you hear this Jay-Z shit? This shit is crazy!” So now B.I.G. is giving it up. Meanwhile, I’m on the bus with Junior M.A.F.I.A. and all his crimeys, and they’re like, “Yo, you better stop saying this motherfucker is better than B.I.G.”

But me and B.I.G. were tight. And I’m going, “He’s iller than you B.I.G.” And B.I.G. is mad now. So we go off tour, and he goes home, and he goes right to do “Who Shot Ya.” “Who Shot Ya” was done a long time ago, when the beat was on Mary J. Blige’s album, but there was only one verse on it. So he goes to the studio to do the whole version, and he adds that second verse.

We go back to get on tour, and we’re at the airport, and they’ve got a big radio. Click, “Who Shot Ya” comes on. I’m like, “I heard this already, nigga.” He’s like, “No you didn’t.” The second verse comes on and I’m like, “Wow.” He’s like, “You want to tell me I’m not the hardest nigga out Clark?” And I’m like, “You’re definitely the hardest nigga out. But Jay’s nicer than you.” That was the argument all the time with us.

So now he’s motivated, because he’s hearing Jay-Z. And then he came with “Realm Of Junior M.A.F.I.A.” And that was motivated by dudes saying Jay was nice. He was like, “Oh really, he’s nice? I’m comin’ for his ass.” But by that time, “Brooklyn’s Finest” was recorded, and they were friends.

Cypress Hill “No Rest for the Wicked”

DJ Muggs: That was a direct message to Ice Cube. He had called us to work on a song for Friday, for the soundtrack. And we had recorded our album, and already had “Throw Your Set in the Air.” So Cube came to the studio, and we played him “Roll It Up, Light It Up, Smoke It Up.” We were like, “This is for you, for the Friday soundtrack,” because it was dope.

Then, he was like, “What are you guys working on? Play me a few cuts.” So we played him “Throw Your Set in the Air.” And he was like, “Yo! That’s ill. Let me get that for the movie. Play it again, let me hear it.” We played it again, and he was like, “Let me get that one.” But we were like, “Nah, that’s our shit. Fall back.”

Two, three weeks later, we’re driving, and we hear his new song for Friday on 106, where he says “Throw your neighborhood in the air” on the chorus. We’re like, “Fucking cocksucker!” B-Real called him, and he was like, “I didn’t take your shit.” B-Real was like, “Fuck you, man.” B-Real was hot. Then B-Real went in on “No Rest for the Wicked.”

Cube came back with Westside Connection, and wrote a diss on the Westside Connection album. See, I used to live with DJ Aladdin, and WC and Coolio were in the Maad Circle. And we were all homies, doing demos. When I was in my bedroom doing the Cypress demos, they were in their bedroom doing the Low Profile demos. So when it came time for them to do the diss record against us, WC was like, “No, those are my boys. I’m not jumping on the track with you.” But Mack 10 didn’t know us. He had to back up his boy, so Mack 10 jumped on the record.

But it got to the point where Westside Connection would be playing at the Power Jam, and Mexicans were throwing bottles at them and shit. Real racial tension. They were on the radio talking, and B would call up on the radio, grab his gun, and drive down to the fuckin’ radio station looking for him. It got a little heated.

And then, Cube kind of made up with B-Real. They squashed it at some point, eventually. It’s funny because a lot of Cube’s people were calling us at that time, like, “Yo, he took your shit.” King Sun called us. Kam called us. You know, that whole Muslim shit that he was into, that was Kam’s whole life. And then, the Torture Chamber called us, saying they never got paid for “Wicked.” J-Dee was calling us, from Da Lench Mob. We were like, “It is him. This really happened.”

But anyway, they squashed it. It was cool, whatever. Let bygones be bygones. But then Sen ran into him one night, at one of our shows. And Sen never got to say his piece. And Sen let him have it. He was in his face, and it was kind of uncomfortable for everybody.

I wish it never happened, because I’m a huge Cube fan, and still am. He’s one of the greatest of all-time. I think if that didn’t happen, we could’ve done so much more together. But looking back, we were young, dumb, hotheads. Everything is aggression. First reaction is anger and aggression, instead of thinking about it, and sitting back, like, “Let’s try to win this war instead of trying to fight every battle,” which is what we were doing at that time.

After they came out with their diss, we came back and grabbed their beat, and did another song about him. It was called “Ice Cube Killa.” It never came out officially, but we printed up 500 copies, and we were just ripping into Cube. And we got one of our homies that sounded like Cube to open up and do the first verse, ripping Cube. Some Crip from L.A. At that point it was like, “Alright, we’re cool. Everybody said what they had to say. We’re cool. Let’s move on.”

Now we’re super cool. I did some shows with Cube in Europe, B-Real’s done some shows with him since. We’re grown men. I love everything he does. That’s one thing, when I look back, I’m like, “Man, I would’ve rather just done a Cypress Hill and Ice Cube album.” We could’ve done something at that time. Right after Black Sunday and The Predator, we could’ve done an album together. It would’ve been big.

I don’t think he ever admitted that he jacked our chorus, but I know he did, so you don’t got to admit it. At this point I don’t even really care.

Showbiz and A.G. ft. Diamond D “You Want It”

Diamond D: I was in the studio, and they asked me to spit on it, and I got on it. That was basically it. Party Arty was on the hook, shout out to him. That was A.G.’s right hand man. It was just family, whether it was a Showbiz and A.G. session, Lord Finesse session, Diamond D session, Fat Joe session, O.C. session, whoever it was. Everybody was welcome. 

When I said, “I got the honeys running all night like the 21 Bus,” that was the bus that used to run from the South Bronx all the way up to the North Bronx. I lived along that route. It was a little Bronx metaphor I used. If you’re not from the Bronx, you didn’t know what the fuck I was talking about.

Jodeci ft. Raekwon and Ghostface Killah “Freek’n You (Remix)”

Raekwon: That right there was when we really started to look at making a transition for our careers, and when we made that record what was going through my mind was that maybe I could still be hardcore and still do these kinds of records too. But RZA wouldn’t let me go there.

When we made that record and it started taking off, I kinda just wanted to start making music like that. I wanted to try to open up that R&B world because like I said I’m the Chef. I’m versatile. You can’t just put me in one box.

Jodeci gave us a call. I remember me and Ghost up in the studio with them niggas ‘cause we was the only ones that went to go get at ‘em that day ‘cause they called specifically for us. And, them niggas was pissy, pissy, pissy, pissy drunk. We was in New York City, somewhere up in the city. I remember we was all just up in the studio having fun. Them niggas was singing their verses. Next thing you know, we was just pacing as it go on and while they was up in there doing their thing, I’m over there trying to write my first line like, “What the fuck am I gonna say to set off this rhyme?!” It wasn’t easy for me, so I think it may have took me like an hour and a half to just come up with the first line. 

I caught a lot of female love on that. So that’s why I was trying to get my little female shine on. Now I wanna be a sex symbol like Meth. Meth is a sex symbol, and that record was allowing me to be a sex symbol to a degree. So I’m like, “Yeah, I need to start making more records like this!”

RZA was like, “Man, listen here, you gonna stay right over here. Stay in your chamber.” I was really one of the dudes back then that was just so amped up to do whatever I can. I believed in myself like that. Confidence got the Chef where he at today.

Raekwon “Spot Rusherz”

Ghostface Killah: We went to Barbados to record Cuban Linx, then got kicked out, and went to record it in Miami. We got kicked out I guess ‘cause the British, well there was black people too, and I love white people, but they were too much under us. Whatever music we played, not even turned up, they’d go and call the people on us. They kept doing it every fucking time. And then, we had fatigues on. And we couldn’t wear them out there. “Take that shit off!” We had to get the fuck out of there. It was too much.

But it was a blessing, because we got to Miami, and it was a whole different vibe. We did “Ice Water,” and a majority of the Cuban Linx album there. Me and Rae were just going in. “Spot Rusherz” and all that other shit started coming to play.

We had a bunch of beats with us that RZA made. Before we left, we picked them out, like, “Give us those.” We took all the fire ones. We wrote like we wanted every song to be a single. That was our mindset. I gotta go do that again, and get back into that mode. Make every song a single.

I haven’t heard Cuban in so long. I perform “Criminology” like every fuckin’ night. But you know, you get tired of that. “Wisdom Body” was one of my favorites on there, and I’m just saying that because it was just me. When I first heard that beat, the beat was ridiculous.

I even like “Spot Rusherz.” Rae was saying some fly shit on there. And I was going in on the intro. But I remember when I said, “Yo Rae, come here,” at the end, and he’s like, “Yo, chill Ghost.” And I’m like, “Yo Rae, I’m ‘bout to scrape her.”  But I said “rape” at first. “Yo Rae, I’m ‘bout to rape her.” He was like, “Nah, we can’t say that.” It was too much. He said, “No, just say ‘scrape her.’” And it became “scrape.” I was just thinking about that the other day.

Fat Joe “Dedication”

Fat Joe: That beat was so hard. My man Rated R found the sample. I believe The Beatnuts helped me flip that. It was a reflection of the time in hip-hop, where there was no beefing, and it was just love, and everybody supported each other. I made a song about everyone I had ever met in hip-hop and everybody I thought was dope. It was a dedication to hip-hop.

Everyone was repping. If you talk about Fat Joe’s turbulent career, and having beef with this one and that one, if you listen to “Dedication,” you’ll be like, “Damn, this nigga got along with everybody.” It was a time when everybody would show up at everybody’s video, and everybody would support everybody. There were no real big egos in New York hip-hop.

Special thanks to Complex for the opportunity to interview my hip-hop heroes, and a nod to Take It Personal Radio for the visual inspiration.

Listen to the STORYTAPE ’95 playlist on Spotify HERE (minus a few unavailable songs). Stay tuned for more from the STORYTAPE series coming soon.

Long Live DJ Clark Kent…

Sleep If You Want

Music, Stan Ipcus

Okay, here it is. The new Stan Ipcus album Sleep If You Want. This album is a dream come true. I told myself when we finished up with Do Remember! I was getting back to the mic. It was calling me. And I did that shit.

And not only do I truly believe this is my best body of work as a hip-hop artist, it’s being released on vinyl with the legendary Tape Kingz label. Crazy, right?

Shout out to everyone how contributed to the making of this album, including Syer, Duke Fiorella, Gem Crates, G-Whiz, Genovese, Superbad Solace, Parks, Marc Borelli, and Iain at Tape Kingz. Here’s the back cover with the full credits.

Cop the vinyl HERE, and stream below…

My Name Is: The Story Behind The Mask Tape

Mixtape Memories, Music, Stan Ipcus, The Good Old Days

It was the summer of 1994, and Jim Carrey was the funniest man on the planet. My friends and I spent the first half of ‘94 imitating Ace Ventura every chance we got, so when his new movie The Mask was set to come out in July, we were fired up. Crazy to think that Dumb & Dumber would come out later that same year, too. 

Of the three movies Carrey starred in through 1994, The Mask is easily the weakest and also my least favorite. Even back then, I wasn’t that into it. But Jim Carrey’s character’s name—Stanley Ipkiss—that name would end up being attached to me in a way I could have never predicted. 

The summer of ‘94 was already a special one for me. Just days before the release of The Mask, I got my drivers license, so I was spending my days enjoying the new found freedom of being able to drive myself and my friends wherever we wanted to go. And if we weren’t riding around town doing day-to-day shit like play ball and eat pizza, we were driving to some sort of record store in the 914 or the Bronx to shop for the latest rap CDs, mixtapes, and 12 inches. After all, it was 1994, and hip-hop was hotter than ever.

That summer was also when I started writing rhymes for the first time. I had a job working the desk at the local Gedney Way tennis courts, and I would sit there writing my first bars in a notebook while I listened to Hot 97 on the shitty little radio they had in the office. In fact, the first song I wrote was about my first car—-“I got the jim hats for sex in the Civic DX.” What can I say, we were always taught in health class to be prepared!

Which brings me back to The Mask. At the time, I would rap under the name D-Nice. Of course, there was already a well-known rapper named D-Nice, and I was a fan of his. “25 Ta Life” was my shit. It didn’t really matter to me though. I was just fucking around, I wasn’t taking it seriously. And it was a nickname I had for a few years, well before I ever picked up a pen to write a rhyme. 

But then something happened. We were playing basketball in my neighbor’s driveway after going to see The Mask in the theater. We used to do this thing where if someone did something well that deserved props, like make a crazy fadeaway 3-pointer, we’d sarcastically yell, “Yes Dan!” You got your props, but you kinda got played in the process, too. Well, “Yes Dan!” got purposely slurred into “‘s’Dan!” which somehow cleverly turned into “Stanley Ipkiss!” Credit is due to my boy Chris for dropping it first. 

Needless to say, we all cracked up at the timely, witty reference to The Mask. But for some reason, unlike the many other cracks and snaps amongst my friends that had nicknames attached to them, this one stuck. And months later, my boys were still calling me Stanley Ipkiss. (Fun fact: Stanley Ipkiss also drove a Civic in The Mask—how crazy is that?)

Well, months later, I was also writing raps much more frequently. And I started dropping my newly-given nickname in rhymes. But for whatever reason, when I wrote it in my rhymes, I spelled it differently. At the time, I didn’t know the spelling, I only knew the name from seeing the movie in the theater. It wasn’t until The Mask came out for rental and I read the back of the VHS box that I realized I had been spelling it wrong. But I liked the way Ipcus looked so I just kept writing it like that, with a C – U – S instead of a K – I – S – S after the I – P. 

The first tape of myself I made was basically just me rapping over different popular hip-hop instrumentals I had on vinyl. There were no actual songs or hooks or titles. And at the time, I was still calling myself D-Nice but dropping the Stanley Ipcus alias here and there in my raps. This was 1996 when I was a senior in high school, and I made an updated version when I went away to college titled Hanukah Hold Up, a flip of DJ Clue’s mixtape Holiday Hold Up

But by early 1999, when I released my first proper album Pu Click Poetry, the D-Nice name was long gone, and Stanley Ipcus was now my official rap moniker. And somewhere along the way, I started going by just Stan Ipcus. It was less nerdy sounding, and I didn’t want anyone thinking this shit was a joke.

Now in 2024, 30 years since I was christened by my friend Chris with the Ipcus nickname, I’m still at it. Hard to believe, since I stepped away from the mic a bunch of times during my adult life, mostly to work and start a family and explore other creative interests. 

But after the release of easily my most ambitious and notable non-Ipcus creative endeavor, the Rizzoli-published book Do Remember! The Golden Era of NYC Hip-Hop Mixtapes that I co-authored with my boy Ev Boogie, I had the itch to get back to the mic. Which leads me to The Mask Tape

At the beginning process of recording this next Stan Ipcus album, I found myself getting warmed up like I’ve done so many times in the past when I’m starting a new project, which is digging for loops. Usually, I’ll make a folder with a bunch of instrumental loops, and then start going in one-by-one. Which is exactly what I did during the last couple months of 2023 after Do Remember! dropped in October. 

But by January of this year, I unexpectedly started making some great connections with producers who were interested in working with me, and suddenly, I was consistently getting album-worthy beats sent to me by multiple producers. And it put me in a truly crazy zone. I was as inspired as I’d ever been to write songs, especially knowing I was working toward making a proper album. I would get a beat l liked sent to me, and within 24 hours I’d have a full song written and sometimes even recorded, hooks and all. 

By the first week of April, the new Stan Ipcus album was fully recorded. 10 songs with four different producers, including one self-produced joint I had from the end of December. But I still had a few joints laying around that I had done from the end of 2023 that were dope, but they weren’t album-worthy. They were over really recognizable loops or other artist’s beats, and they had more of a mixtape feel to them. 

So when I connected with the legendary Tape Kingz label about releasing my new album on vinyl, a relationship I had formed during my work on Do Remember!, I approached them with an additional idea. “What if we dropped a limited edition Stan Ipcus and Tape Kingz mixtape on cassette before the album?” In my mind, this would harken back to the days when artists like Jadakiss and Kanye West would drop a mixtape before they released their new LPs as a way to warm up the streets for what was to come. 

I didn’t exactly have a full mixtape worth of brand new non-album material, but I did have a bunch of new shit and some recent and older Ipcus shit I thought would make for a dope listening experience for day one and new Stan Ipcus fans alike. And when I looked at the calendar and saw that the 30th anniversary of The Mask was July 29th, 2024, just about a month shy of when we were planning to put out the album, the light bulb above my head lit up. The Mask Tape. I mean come on, what better way to connect Stan Ipcus and Tape Kingz after the release of Do Remember! Especially since we had a page dedicated to mixtapes that flipped movies and TV show artwork.

So here it is. A prelude to the new Stan Ipcus album and an ode to my rap beginnings 30 years ago, mixed by my boy United Crates in classic mixtape fashion with a bangin’ intro, blends, skits from the movie, freestyles, exclusives, unreleased demos, and so much more. 

Shout to my boy Marc Borelli who laced the artwork. Stream The Mask Tape below and cop the Tape Kingz limited edition green cassette HERE.

Stay tuned for the new Stan Ipcus album Sleep If You Want dropping soon on Tape Kingz vinyl and cassette!

Prime Time: Remembering The First-Ever White Plains High School Public Access TV Show Created By Students

Comedy, Interviews, My Dudes, Television, The Good Old Days, Videos, Youth

Prime Time with Dan & Andrew first aired on public access television in White Plains back in the early part of 1994. Co-starring friends and classmates Daniel Isenberg and Andrew Goldberg, the show was created, written, filmed, edited, and produced by students, with Dan and Andrew at the helm. And it was the first student-run public access television show of its kind in the history of White Plains High School.

The show itself was made up of talk show-style banter and bits, accompanied by comedy and musical skits. Clearly, popular shows of the time like Saturday Night Live and The State were influences, but Dan and Andrew brought their own unique perspective as suburban New York high school students to the small screen. 

They created characters, poked fun at popular commercials, and tackled pertinent social issues like STDs and stalking with smart but silly humor, never shying away from what they considered to be funny. And they included their fellow classmates—the “Prime Time Players”—in the entire process, both on and off camera.

30 years later, Dan and Andrew are now family men, both living professional lives as writers. After spending roughly a decade writing for Family Guy, Andrew co-created the critically-acclaimed, coming-of-age animated Netflix series Big Mouth and the spinoff Human Resources. And Dan has spent the last decade as a writer and creative director in the sports and entertainment marketing world, and his new book Do Remember! The Golden Era of NYC Hip-Hop Mixtapes was released last fall via Rizzoli (he’s underground rapper Stan Ipcus, too).

To celebrate the Prime Time 30th anniversary properly, Westcheddar felt it was finally time to get Dan and Andrew to tell the story behind the making of the show. Check out the exclusive interview below.

Do you guys remember how you first met? 

Andrew: I came to White Plains High School new in ninth grade, so we definitely met sometime that year, but for the life of me I don’t remember how. Maybe I’ve always known Dan?

Dan: Yeah, I can’t pinpoint the exact moment we met. I kind of remember you and some of the other Solomon Schecter kids being in the North House lunchroom together, and us trying to figure out who you guys were since you were new to our grade. 

But I for sure remember getting a ride home from Mike Friedland’s brother Ben one day and we were both sitting in the backseat and you were saying some funny shit, cracking everyone up. I’m pretty sure that car ride was the start of me being like, “Yo, this kid Andrew is hilarious.”

How did the initial idea for you two to have a public access TV show come about?

Andrew: Well, it was the heyday of Wayne’s World, so public access TV shows were all the rage. But when we went to try to sign up for a public access show, it turned out we needed adult supervision and had to pay. Someone, I think it was Dan’s father, suggested checking out the TV studio in the basement at the high school. There was all this equipment just sitting there, and nobody was using it except for a couple of TV production classes. 

Dan: I had just gotten cut from the JV basketball team, and for the first time in my life, I had nothing to do all winter. We were really into SNL and Adam Sandler and Chris Farley and late night guys like Letterman at the time, too. The show is really a hybrid of those two things—talk show and skit show. 

The TV studio at school was a gem, and this woman Mrs. Strauss who ran it took an instant liking to us. I think with her support we were able to get things rolling.

Your Vice Principal Mr. Woodard was the person who ultimately greenlit the show. Do you remember anything about your pitch to him?

Andrew: I didn’t even remember that we had to meet with Mr. Woodard. But I imagine we must have lied to him. Because if we told him we wanted to make a show where we make fun of STDs and tape our friend repeatedly punching himself in the face on school property, he probably wouldn’t have let us use the equipment. 

Dan: I have no memory of meeting with Woodard either, but I know it happened. Who knows why he gave us the green light. I doubt we had anything prepared.

You filmed the first show during lunch, and had a bunch of friends on as guests. Any favorite moments? 

Andrew: I think my favorite part of that show is when Mike Friedland walks out, and you go, “Nice blazer.” God bless him for getting dressed up, though.

Dan: There’s no way he was gonna come out with a blazer on and not get a comment. That’s all we did back then, figure out ways to sarcastically make fun of each other. But Friedland pulling the card out of his mouth was definitely an impressive trick. He used to do card tricks for us all the time in class, but I had never seen that one before.

I remember dying laughing when you guys used that trick on the first episode of Big Mouth, when Jay is like, “Is this your card?” I was like, “Oh shit, a Prime Time Easter egg!” I believe he pulled a card out of his fly once, too. That actually would’ve been a good one to recreate for Big Mouth also.

Another classmate you had as a guest on an early episode was Dave Epstein, who was the one you mentioned before that famously punched himself in the face on the show.

Andrew: Dave’s enthusiasm was absolutely through the roof. It was like, “This kid is a maniac. If we can’t figure out something entertaining for him to do then we shouldn’t have our own educational access TV show.” 

Dan: Epstein is a legend. Who else would go on public access television and punch themselves in the face or break a sheet of ice over their head? I didn’t know him that well when he first approached us about being on the show because he was a year younger than us. But after that first appearance, we hung out all the time. He was a regular. 

Andrew: I think beating himself up was his idea. Truthfully, I think we could’ve gotten him to do anything. We didn’t take advantage of that enough. We should’ve had him jump off the roof of the school in a barrel or smoke his own pubes or something. We really blew it.

Meghan O’Rourke was a friend of yours, but also an active part of the theater program at school, so you recruited her to be on the show. And she really shined, huh? 

Dan: Meghan was the only one of us with any legitimate acting experience. She was a star. The rest of us were mediocre actors, at best. 

Andrew: God, Meghan was so funny. I especially enjoyed her performance as “E-Claire” the villainess in “The Adventures of Muffin Man and his Sidekick Danish Boy” because she truly did not understand what Dave Epstein and I were doing, but she hung in there like a pro.

You interviewed the principal of White Plains High School on the show, Dr. Tate. How’d you pull that off?

Dan: No clue. It was pretty ballsy of us to even request having him on. 

Andrew: I like to think of it like when Wayne and Garth had Noah Vanderhoff on their show. “This man blows goats. I have proof.”

Dan: Classic! But honestly, I think to our credit, we actually played that one fairly straight and respectfully. No way we would’ve pulled off making fun of the principal, especially considering some of the other stuff we got in trouble for.

That’s right, you got in some hot water with the Board of Ed in White Plains for the STD game show, and then also one where Andrew played an old man wearing a diaper? 

Andrew: Yeah, on the STD one I was actually kind of surprised. All our information was medically accurate, and the overall message was that STDs are not something you want. 

Dan: “Name That STD” is a Top 3 Prime Time skit for me. That was great public access TV content created by a bunch of 10th grade health class students. Perfectly educational, but also stupid and fun. It was a little edgy I guess, but I really didn’t think it warranted any complaints. Meghan and our buddy Matty B killed that. 

Andrew: The grandpa pissing his pants one was probably fair. It hadn’t occurred to me that someone might be watching that with an elderly person struggling with incontinence. I was young and thought I’d pee perfectly forever.

Dan: I think we honestly just didn’t realize we would be offending anyone and thought it was harmless potty humor. It was definitely an oversight on our part. 

Do you have memories of watching the show at home? Did your parents like it?

Andrew: Oh, it was totally exciting and weird to see yourself on television. And I think my parents loved it. They even encouraged me to send out tapes with clips when I was applying to colleges. I’m not sure it helped.

Dan: My folks were pretty pumped about it, too. My dad told everyone. And my mom, who is a piano teacher, has a famous story she tells about the father of one of her students making the choice to move his family to White Plains after seeing our show because he thought it was so great. I still can’t believe that’s actually true, but the lore is strong.

I think personally I was a little self-conscious about it all, but I also thought it was crazy that we had our own TV show with all our friends, and that people were actually watching. It was dope.

How’d it go over at school? 

Andrew: Oh my God, I got so many girls because I was on TV. I was absolutely drowning in women. No, wait, I’m thinking of Ashton Kutcher. Nobody cared.

Dan: My favorite teacher, Mr. Benevento, who sadly passed away a few years back, used to watch. And he would play me so hard in class. I think during the first episode, I kept saying everything was “unbelievable” over and over, and he called me out on that in class constantly. 

What was the creative process like for you two? 

Andrew: We’d kind of hang out and throw out ideas. Then we’d like something and just start writing on a yellow legal pad. A very low tech and pure version of what I’ve been doing for work every day for years!

Dan: It’s pretty amazing that you were able to turn this all into a career, actually. Yeah, I remember going back to your house after school, playing NHL ’94 or whatever game was hot at the time, and just thinking of ideas for skits. 

And we filmed a few things at your house, too, like “Kiki Rachmanah: Private Eye” which was one of my favorite characters of yours. I’m impressed that we had enough motivation and organization to actually make all this stuff.

What about filming and editing? 

Dan: We mostly filmed after school, and sometimes during lunch. Our friends would come hang out and watch or be a part of the show, and we would all take turns working the cameras, too. And then Andrew and I would edit everything, with the help of Mrs. Strauss at first.

Andrew: This was back in the day of deck-to-deck editing—I know, I sound like a cranky old guy—so if you wanted to change something, you had to go back and change everything after that point. It was super labor intensive and taught you to be more careful than kids nowadays with their fancy editing software. 

Dan: We took a Video Production class together at one point, too, which I think helped us learn how to edit. The fanciest was when we did a remake of “Summer Lovin’” from Grease. We had the split screen effect, and had to figure out how to make the music match up with the lip syncing which was fairly challenging. “Summer Lovin’” was one of my favorites.

What were some other faves of yours? 

Andrew: “Name that STD” was great. I liked when our friends Jon and Scott took over the show, mostly because Scott was so profoundly uncomfortable in front of the camera. I liked the parents of mass murderers sketch, with Jeffrey Dahmer’s dad telling him to “stop eating crayons!” And “Stanley the Stalker” was great because it showed the lighter side of stalking.

Dan: Our skit about replacement players during the MLB lockout was always a favorite of mine. I played a blind dude who shows up for tryouts with crutches and a broken arm. My uncle Steve, who is a huge baseball fan, loved that one. And he’s like the funniest guy in the Isenberg family, so getting a laugh and stamp of approval from him meant a lot to me. 

What about the music? Beyond “Summer Lovin’,” you guys had a few different musical numbers during the show’s run.

Dan: My all time favorite musical moment was when me and Jon and Matty B rapped Beastie Boys “Sure Shot” live in the studio over a very random Shyheim remix instrumental. I also loved that we had a Cypress Hill beat as our original intro music. I think we switched it up to an instrumental cut off Ill Communication when we made the intro longer and had the whole cast in it, which was also fire. 

Andrew: I loved that we actually had a band in there one time. That’s pretty impressive for a bunch of idiot sixteen year olds. 

Dan: Oh yeah, that was dope. Big up to the Surf Dudes, and Liz Farrell on the vocals. Oh, and there was an outro we snuck in one episode during the credits with Jon lip syncing Phife Dawg’s verse from “Keep It Rollin’”—that was ill, too.

Remember when you guys hosted a holiday episode on Santa’s lap at the mall?

Dan: That was wacky. We filmed that at The Galleria. RIP.

Andrew: As a Jewish person, that might be the only time I’ve ever sat on Santa’s lap. I don’t know what you gentiles are so worked up about, it wasn’t that great.

Dan: Props to Santa for being a good sport. I think the idea was probably funnier than the execution. We went for it, though.

Looking back on it all, how does it feel to know that you were the first students in the history of White Plains High School to have your own TV show?

Andrew: We are the Rosa Parks of misusing school-owned audio-video equipment.

Dan: I take pride in knowing we were the first. I’m not even sure there was ever a second, to be honest. I kind of wish there were some students that followed in our footsteps, but it just goes to show how much time, effort, and buy-in from the administration it took to make it happen. If it was that easy, I think others would have followed. 

But TV has changed a lot since then. I imagine WPHS students are on YouTube or TikTok doing some funny stuff now. 

Looking back 30 years later and thinking about where you both ended up career-wise, how do you think “Prime Time” played a role in your success? 

Andrew: I think it helped me a lot. It was my first experiment in writing for TV, and I actually got to produce, direct, and edit it. That was an unusual experience at that time before more modern technology.

Dan: It’s crazy to me that you ended up where you did, having your own shows on Netflix. I’m in the creative world too, but not in the same capacity. Still, making commercials and content in the marketing and advertising world, that can all be traced back to this. Also, the “Sure Shot” moment definitely sparked something in me, and made me want to pursue making and performing my own rap music. 

And you’ve managed to stay friends through the years, even while living on separate coasts? 

Andrew: Though I’ve moved across the country, Dan and I still keep in touch, and I love watching his family grow. The times we’ve gotten to watch our kids play together have been really special. That crew from White Plains will always be my brothers and sisters, they’re special people. Sometimes I get jealous that they get to see each other all the time and their families are growing up together, but then I realize those idiots have to deal with winter.

Dan: We always get together when Andrew comes back east. And we’ve had a couple fun visits in Cali too, though I haven’t been out there in a while. The truth is, at this age with kids and so much going on, I don’t even see the friends of ours that live in the New York area that much anyway, so maybe the cold is all he’s really missing in the end. 

I’m really proud of Andrew. To see what him and Nick have done with Big Mouth and everything else is truly incredible. They’re living the Hollywood dream!

What about when you look back and see clips of the show now. How does it make you feel? 

Andrew: I was awkward! Clearly I wasn’t meant for a career in front of the camera, and I ended up in the right place. So glad to have my place in show business validated! Also, I was about the hairiest sixteen year old in history.

Dan: As my kids would say, it’s so “cringe.” But it brings back great memories. We were just young kids trying to do something new and creative, and make each other laugh. And it was us and all our best friends doing it together, too. It’s a great portal back to those good old high school days when life was much simpler.

Watch more Prime Time with Dan & Andrew clips HERE.

Dallas Penn’s 5 Favorite Polo Pieces Worn In Rap Videos

Gear, Interviews, Lists, Music, Published Material, Videos

This Dallas Penn interview was originally published on NahRight.com in June, 2013 and is being reposted here in his memory...

Words by Daniel Isenberg

Internets! You knew it wouldn’t be long before we hollered at our man Dallas Penn to collaborate on an official NahRight feature. He’s outchea right now, doing his thing as the charismatic co-host of Complex TV’s The Combat Jack Show. And he continues to make waves in the New York City streets as a well-known sneakerhead, hip-hop fanatic, and Polo Ralph Lauren connoisseur. 

Dallas, a Corona, Queens native who attended high school at Brooklyn Tech, traces his interest in Polo back to 1986, when he saw someone on the train wearing a color-blocked Ralph Lauren windbreaker that he had to have. In a botched robbery attempt, dude got away, but his love for the brand stuck. As Dallas puts it, Polo Ralph Lauren was, and still is, “accessible luxury” and “aspirational apparel.” He says, “It’s not about the place you’re in. It’s about the place you want to go, and imagine yourself going. So on a winter day, I want a ski jacket. And I want lift tickets on my ski jacket. That shit is boss.”

Between 1986 and 1989, Dallas watched New York street style transform from the illest cats on the block wearing high-end track suits to rocking Polo Ralph Lauren pieces. He describes Polo during that time period as “dominant” year-round. The brand’s popularity in the streets ultimately led to the formation of the Lo-Lifes, a tight knit collective of young people who rocked, boosted, and sold Polo garments all over New York City. And by 1992, Polo had fully infiltrated hip-hop culture, with pieces popping up in regularly in televised rap videos.

Knowing Dallas’ passion for fashion and hip-hop, we linked up with him to explore the longstanding relationship between hip-hop and Polo Ralph Lauren by taking a look back at his 5 Favorite Polo Pieces Worn in Rap Videos. His list features legendary pieces like Raekwon’s Snow Beach Pullover from the “Can It Be All So Simple” video and the Alpine Rugby that Grand Puba wore on Yo! MTV Raps, as well as a nod to one of the Lo-Life’s leading hip-hop and street figures, rapper Thirstin Howl III.

As for his own Polo pieces, well, when we asked when we’re going to see him break out some rare ‘Lo on The Combat Jack Show, he responded, “These guys gotta give me a wardrobe budget, which they haven’t given me, yet. When that comes through, then it’s gonna get crazy.” We already know.

Check Dallas’ 5 Favorite Polo Pieces Worn in Rap Videos below. Do you have any of these pieces in your closet?

5. Timeless Truth “Wherever We Go”

Standout Polo Piece: Japan “Expedition” Anorak (:55)

Dallas Penn: “The group Timeless Truth are two brothers from Queens who are die-hard hip-hop fans, and love the aesthetic of like Gang Starr, and Brand Nubian. Like, New York in 1992. Let’s call 1992 the most important year in hip-hop and Polo Ralph Lauren, and their connectivity. But don’t think of Timeless Truth as a throwback. They just respect the rhyme to the fullest. Beats, rhymes, life.

“Inside this video, they go through a bunch of different ‘fits, better known as outfits. But the hardest joint that they’re rocking is the Japanorak, 55 seconds in. The Japan ‘Expedition’ Anorak. Hard. Hardware. And they’re both rocking it! 

“They go through pieces all through the video. My dude Meyhem is in this video, also. He’s part of the young Lo-Life, Outdoorsmen wave. I met Bronson and Meyhem through Timeless Truth. I knew Timeless Truth before the music.

“You can’t get it. Maybe it will pop up on eBay for $2,000. Timeless got it through their various connections, and cats who travel overseas. But I’ll tell you, Lord & Taylor probably had it when it dropped. Because Lord & Taylor does get really exclusive, high-end pieces. They don’t get a lot of them, but they get them. It was probably $395 or $495. But now, you probably couldn’t get it for less than two racks. Easy. 

“In my mind, it came out in 2008. But I’d have to ask Timeless to give me the specifics on that piece. What Ralph Lauren loves to do, and I love to call Polo Ralph Lauren ‘lifestyle,’ because he loves to create pieces that reference an actual narrative. And in Japan, there was an expedition that climbed their highest peak, and the Japan Anorak lists the names of the climbers on the sleeve. Everyone who was part of that expedition, their names are listed, first initial and last name, on a sleeve of the jacket.”

4B. Zhigge “Toss It Up”

Standout Polo Pieces: ‘92 Plates Hoodie, Golfer Swing Graphic Knit Shirt (:28)

“Zhigge is from Uptown and Brooklyn. Salaam Remi’s first full production was for them in 1992. Oh snap, that’s crazy! But he didn’t do this.

“They flash a bunch of ‘92 pieces in this video, but the ‘92 Plates Hoodie is the hardest joint. And the Golfer Swing Graphic Knit Shirt, at 28 seconds in. Whoooo! That is hard. But they got crazy pieces throughout the whole video. They got so much ‘92 work in the video. The P-Wing Sweatshirt, too.

“Like I said, 1992 is this an incredible moment for Polo Ralph Lauren and hip-hop fans. It’s perfectly sporty, and well-made, and represents aspiration to the fullest. This stuff is fashioned after vintage Olympic track & field apparel. Like something Jesse Owens might’ve worn. Jesse Owens would’ve had another number on, but Polo was fond of tagging the year that they released a series of items. You’ll see a 92, 94, or whatever the year it was that it came out. And they do it to this day. You see pieces with 2012 on it. They actually did something with a series this spring that actually doesn’t have the year tag on it, it’s just a random number. I’m trying to figure out what it means. It could be them just being wonderfully random and switching it up.”

4A. Zhigge  “Rakin’ in the Dough”

Standout Polo Pieces: Angler’s Vest (:37), Sit-Down Teddy Bear Long Bill Cap (2:20)

“Zhigge didn’t have much more than these two songs. They were really pushing the Ralph Lauren look in their vids, as well as their own individual style. And this was done on purpose. They had some North Face stuff on too, but in terms of Polo Ralph Lauren, they had some good pieces. At 37 seconds in, dude has on a fishing vest. An Angler’s Vest. 

“This is part of being official—when you wear something like an Angler’s Vest, and you’ve got bait hooks and flies hanging from your joint. You’re not even going fishing. You’re about to go angling. Meanwhile, in the video at 1:17, you see him on a payphone on the block. He’s not angling. Or maybe that is his angle. 

“There’s some regular spell-out sweatshirts going on. At the time, they were just some dope pieces to have. Then, at 2:20, my man that’s sitting down on the couch with the chick, with a red Long Bill Cap. It’s a Teddy Bear Long Bill! The embroidered insignia on the crown is the Sit-Down Teddy Bear. That’s just a sick piece. The Sit-Down Teddy Bear dropped in ‘92. So these dudes, they were on their ‘Lo game heavy in ‘92. And he came up early on that Long Bill Cap. I would love to find that Long Bill Cap. That joint is beautiful.

“This is another kind of mainstay of Ralph Lauren’s designs, the Long Bill Cap. Now, the Long Bill Cap is typically worn by fisherman. The purpose of a long bill is to keep the sun out of your face, sitting on a boat all day. The sun is ripping you, and beating you down. That’s where the cap comes from. But Ralph Lauren made them in Polartec fleece, and cotton. So he made them for all different types of applications. You wouldn’t wear a winter fleece cap in the summer, but it gives you that look.

“Zhigge was killing ‘em. But you see in the video, they’ve got their own leather jackets customized, and sweatshirts. So part of their aspiration apparel made them say, ‘You know what? I’m gonna do my own line.’ And that’s what they were moving in to.”

3. Grand Puba & Mary J.Blige “What’s the 411?” live on Yo! MTV Raps

Standout Polo Piece: Alpine Rugby

“This video is so effing important. Puba is basically rocking late ‘80s street style. The rugby, tucked at the belt loop so you can also flash the Girbaud tag. The classic Fila visor, with Fila socks. And what’s crazy, in the ‘Rakin’ in the Dough’ video, I seen they had these on, and Puba has them on, too. The Air Revaderchi. They’re ACGs. He’s killing it. 

“Puba was an effing icon. And this performance is from ‘92, ‘93, so he’s right there in the pocket. Philly, D.C., and Chicago all fucked with Polo. But his presentation of the way he’s layered and showing these brands, that was some real New York street style. This is how kids in Brooklyn looked every day in ‘92. Only thing he’s really missing is a motherfucking Jansport or an Eastsport on his back. That would have made the cypher complete. But he’s still fresh to def right here.

“There was a series of rugbys back then. There was ALPINE, there was CLIMB, and a series of rugbys that had spell-out lettering across the front. But this ALPINE one is the hardest because of the way it’s color-blocked. It’s got red, yellow, green, black, blue. Look at that piece! That shit is fire!

“I pushed this up to number three, because it’s super-influential, and just one of the best representations of how New York street style gets put together. From head to toe. It’s called outfit architecture. He was absolutely a style icon. 

“He legitimized Tommy Hilfiger with that one line, ‘Girbauds hanging baggy, Hilfiger on the top.’ Because Tommy was the dun brand of Polo. It wasn’t complete dun status. Like Chaps was the dun brand! Like, ‘Dunion, why you got the Chaps on? Could’ve Had A Polo Shirt.’ They were like the son of Polo, or the little brother. 

“But Tommy did have a little run with some fresh shit. He had a Pit Crew short sleeve knit shirt. Plus, Tommy was active with using Scotchlite on pieces. Polo did it, and Tommy OD’d with it a little, but who doesn’t love Scotchlite on a shirt right now? They had a little run, but they had to go back to son status. They didn’t sustain.”

2. Wu-Tang Clan “Can It Be All So Simple”

Standout Polo Piece: Snow Beach Pullover

“Okay, the Snow Beach, which is now called the Raekwon Snow Beach. He gets credit for it. The way the video was constructed, it’s a dark, rainy landscape. But when the spotlight comes on Raekwon to rhyme, he is effing shining with this jacket on. It’s like he’s bringing light to where there’s darkness. 

“Back then, it was a hard piece to find, but it was around. I remember that when I finally got ready to cop it, it wasn’t in my size. It was in a size large. And this is way before the video came out. And I was like, ‘Oh well, they’ll be more.’ Now had I known what I know now, I would’ve bought both of the size larges and just kept them on ice. That could’ve been my retirement. That would’ve been my 401K.

“But it was a dope piece. I go back to color-blocking. They way the colors and the materials are laid on top of each other. The real pop on that piece is the red, Polartec fleece on the collar, and the red Gore-Tex patches on the sleeve. That’s the real pop. It’s again part of that wild live shit that Ralph Lauren does to create your aspirations. But I thought to myself, ‘I wonder where the hell a Snow Beach is?’ That was ill to me. Like, snow never stays on sand. Like, you never see a beach covered in snow. A sandy beach? The water goes right into the sand, and it disappears. That’s why people put sand on snow. But that’s what was going through my mind. Like, are you using dune buggies in the snow?

“Then, later on, Wu-Tang comes out with their video, and I was like, ‘Yeah, yeah, that’s that jacket.’ And it becomes legendary. Part of the reason it becomes legendary is because Wu-Tang themselves are now an incredible force inside hip-hop. Their energy, and their ability. So this was one of the things that Wu-Tang touched. And their legend made it legendary.

“By that time, Polo existed in hip-hop to a great degree. So it wasn’t a surprise. I look at old Wu-Tang videos, and someone’s always rocking some Polo. Plus, Wu-Tang had so many Brooklyn connections. And if there was one place that was known for Polo, all day every day, it was Brooklyn. 

“But by ‘92, everyone is rocking Polo. Bronx, Queens. My dudes out by Green Acres Mall. By ‘92, ‘93, everyone has a piece in their wardrobe. Now, do you have some ill shit like the Alpine Rugby or the Snow Beach Pullover? Or the Sit-Down Teddy Bear? Or a P-Wing Varsity Jacket? Do you have one of the iller pieces? That was the question. But it was city-wide.

“Raekwon and Ghostface and Wu-Tang, they’re not fashionista rappers. They don’t reference their clothing all the time in their raps. You might hear a line about cream Wallos, or Raekwon had a song called ‘Sneakers.’ But come on, Rae? He said, ‘Same damn ‘Lo sweater/Times is rough and tough like leather.’ So when times are hard, you gotta wear your shit mad days in a row. But you keep wearing it because it’s the freshest thing you got.”

1. Thirstin Howl III “Together Forever (Remix)” 

Standout Polo Piece: Too many to name.

“Thirstin Howl is at the very center of Lo-Life. And this is why Lo-Life is still around. You have to have a charismatic person in the center—guiding, leading, and pushing. So because he’s still around making music and influencing guys like Timeless Truth and Meyhem Lauren, he’s still relevant. He’s still important.

“The reason why I go with this as number one is because it represents that street style and aspiration. And how once you get the bug, you start making your own stuff. You see the video opens up with FiLo, and he’s wearing a custom Love & Loyalty t-shirt. That’s their thing that they created so they could unify and have something together. 

“In the video, Thirstin’s got his two sons wearing the same shirt he is, and his man Disco. It’s nothing crazy, but they all got it. That’s what made things crazy. Twenty people all rocking the same piece. Meyhem’s in it, and Sadat X, who reps Lo-Life. It’s a roll call for everyone in this Lo-Life collective. All throughout the video. And there’s not another video where someone is wearing more Polo than this. And this shit runs for almost ten minutes! I like my man’s Polo Match Long Sleeve at 2:13 in. 

“Thirstin Howl’s music isn’t about Polo. He’ll have a reference here and there, but he doesn’t tell you about the pieces that he’s wearing. For these guys, it’s about their aspirations to look good. To be clean, and to be fresh. And then, their willing to defend it. Even as you watch the video, you’ll see guys wearing Fila, a Coogi t-shirt. The idea of Lo-Life isn’t just wearing Polo. You’ll wear other brands. You’ll wear Gucci, Bally. The idea of Lo-Life is being fresh, and doing what it takes to stay fresh. It’s a statement about how you feel about yourself, and your life. Like, ‘You’re not gonna catch me fucked up, with holes in my shit.’

“For this video, the reason I put it at number one, is that since 1988 these dudes have been putting in the work to rock the freshest look, and they made getting fresh a lifestyle. And here they are, in this video from 2010, and they’re still doing it.”

Long live the one and only Dallas Penn.

Do Remember! The Golden Era of NYC Hip-Hop Mixtapes

Art, Books & Mags, Mixtape Memories, Music, My Dudes, The Good Old Days

I can trace the origins of the book above back to this site. Specifically this Mixtape Memories post. Because it’s the post that landed me on Ev Boogie’s radar, and subsequently what kicked off our now fifteen-year friendship.

So for our book to finally be out, it really is a full circle moment for us, and also Westcheddar!

Check it out, hope you love it!

Don’t Get It Twisted

Music, My Dudes, Stan Ipcus

New shit! Big big shout to Genovese for inviting me to hop on a song with him. If he only knew how many times I’ve listened to “Genovese Thesis” in my life. It’s truly an honor to rep the 914 alongside you, and to call you a friend. And massive props to Tony Hooks for lacing the track beautifully, and to the one and only Vinylcologist for coming through with the cuts.

Listen below and on all platforms now.

Cookin’ Up with Spanish Ran

Interviews, Music

Written by Daniel Isenberg 

I first heard Bronx producer Spanish Ran’s name being dropped on podcasts by Westside Gunn, in reference to Ran bringing Gunn to Roc Nation during the early days of Griselda. And that’s because before Spanish Ran became the prolific, full-time producer we know now, he worked under Lenny S. 

While Lenny was busy with A-list artists like Jay-Z, DJ Khaled, and Fabolous, Ran was all over the web and the blogs—and outside at the live shows—starting as an intern and bringing new talent into the building. And he was successful, helping Roc Nation sign breakthrough artists like Vic Mensa and Rapsody. In fact, the first project he ever worked on as an A&R—Rapsody’s Laila’s Wisdom—ended up being nominated for a Best Rap Album Grammy Award.

But even with his success on the label side, Spanish Ran was inspired by watching the best producers in the game get busy in the studio, and decided to flip the switch to become one himself. So after years of quietly perfecting his craft at home, Ran went all in and gave production his full attention.

Since then, Spanish Ran’s been on an unprecedented underground run, producing a long string of full-length, independently-released projects with multiple MCs (Bronx representatives Al-Doe, Bloo Azul, and Tree Mason to name a few), each joint as fire as the next. His moody, gritty sound is an offshoot of producers like RZA and Alchemist, but clearly he’s defining his own lane and pushing New York hip-hop forward without compromise. 

Rap fans out there who have been paying attention know that Ran’s been doing his thing for a minute now, and shows no signs of slowing down. So we tapped him for our first ever Cookin’ Up feature to discuss his daily grind and process as a producer, and how he’s using his home studio in the Bronx—dubbed “The Church” which also doubles as the name of his artist collective—to create some of the illest new rap music coming out of New York City right now. Peep the flavor.

Transition From Roc Nation to Full-Time Production

Spanish Ran: It was always a part of me. I’ve never really been a guy who wanted to be in an office looking at analytics all day or talking about numbers. I was like, “I like being on the creative side, being in the studio.” I’d see these guys working all the time in the studio, but I never told anybody I was doing production. That was never really my focus. I was trying to sign producers and get producers placement, and trying to sign artists. 

But at the same time, I was around all these guys making production. Watching 9th Wonder or No I.D. make a beat, or Swizz. All these guys are legends, and I’m watching them. And behind closed doors, I was doing my own thing, trying to perfect my craft. And seeing them sparked up a whole new interest in me, like, “Let me take this real serious.” It was on some competition shit, like, “This is all that they do? I can do this.” 

It took me a while to get confident. Because at the end of the day, I was the guy critiquing artists. If I’m the one saying, “This is dope,” or, “This shit could be better,” I gotta make sure my sword is sharp, too. I can’t just be putting out trash.

It pretty much became, “Let me put my 100% percent on it. Instead of looking for the artist, let me become the artist.”

Learning How To Make Beats

One of my closest friends who used to live across the street from me in the Bronx—ironically he’s Lenny S’s cousin—he had an MPC2000. I remember at that time, if you had an MPC, you were doing something. That was like a UFO to me. He had a two screen computer, he had CD burners—this was during that time. Even having a studio in the house at that time was unheard of. 

He went to school at IAR for audio engineering and had an MPC. So I was like, “Oh, you know how to make beats and engineer? Let’s try to get people into the studio and charge them.” I was more on the business side. Like, “You handle that, and I’ll handle bringing the artists in.” 

But I would see him making beats. And I never touched an MPC. I didn’t know what it took to make a beat. But he would be making beats in like ten, fifteen minutes and I was like, “I think I can do this shit.” 

In the long run, he stopped taking an interest in making beats. And I told him, “Let me hold that MPC down.” And that’s when I eventually built a studio in my apartment. I had the MPC, and he taught me the basics of it. Then I made a booth, and I bought all this equipment. But I didn’t know how to use it. So I took myself to IAR to learn how to become an engineer. 

It was a nine month program, but it doesn’t take nine months to become an engineer. If it was that simple, everyone would’ve been doing it. It takes years of really training the ear, and they always said that. But every time I learned something new in school, like how to use Pro Tools or some trick that a professional engineer taught us, I had the equipment at home to try it. But I didn’t apply what I learned when I graduated until five or six years later when I decided to really become a producer.

Hardware and Software

I was making beats on the MPC, but not really taking it too seriously. I would toy around with it. Then from the MPC, I eventually got into software. I saw 9th Wonder using Fruity Loops, then I got into Reason and learning the basics of chopping samples. Then from Reason, I went to Ableton. And that changed my whole train of thought. Not only could I make a beat, but I could engineer a whole song and mix vocals. 

To this day, I use Ableton, but now I apply hardware also. I have an MPC2500, but I also have an SP-404. The SP-404 changed my life because of the quality and texture of a sample when you go into it. So now I apply Ableton and the SP-404 into my whole workflow. Plus I mix vocals and mix the sample in Ableton. Transitioning from the MPC to Ableton and the SP-404 created a whole new way of how I do my shit.  

There’s a compressor that’s in the SP-404 that you can’t emulate. There’s plug-ins that have that preset, but there’s something with that hardware where whatever sound you get out of that compressor, you can’t emulate it with a plug-in. I’ve tried. There’s other shit besides the compressor—obviously, you can make beats with it. But I use it for the texture of the compressor within the SP-404. The hub is the SP-404, and the seasoning is whatever I got on Ableton.

Studio Workflow

I got the mic set up to my focus right. I got the Macbook with Ableton connected to the SP-404. And I got a USB vinyl player, so I can transfer that into Ableton. It’s a whole workflow. I’ll grab a sample and throw it onto the SP-404 just to get that texture that I want, to make it sound real gritty. Then I’ll reroute it back into Ableton, and do my chopping on Ableton. Then it’ll probably take me three, four minutes to finish a beat, depending on how into it I am.

The way I create, it’s like, “What’s next, what’s next.” I try not to add too much, because it’s like putting too much seasoning on the plate. If it feels right, I stop right there and try to top what I did before. Like, “That beat was crazy, let me try to do another crazy one.” It’s kind of like an addiction, in a sense. 

It’s the same thing with songs. I get tired of what we did last week. I’m already onto the new one, like, “What are we doing next?” I want to keep on creating and top what I did before, production-wise or even mixing-wise. And I throw that in with any artist I work with, like, “Let’s do this now.” And we both agree on it, instead of listening to the same song nonstop.

Recording

When I do a song with somebody, their vocals are already mixed and sounding crispy. I might take out little breaths or dead air here and there. And then I’ll build off of what they’re saying, like really producing producing. 

Like, I won’t add my intros until the song is done. And whatever they’re saying that I think will really hit, I’ll take out a drum here and there or add little sound effects. It depends on the song. Sometimes it can be a basic joint and the pieces are already filled. I go by feeling. If it feels like it’s done, it’s done. Unless we’re doing a whole project, then I’ll listen to the sequence and be like, “I can add this,” or, “Let me take this out.”

Studio Essentials

You gotta have some type of rapport. Conversation. Mutual respect. As far as essentials, to me, I’m a healthy guy so I make sure someone brings me a juice, or a smoothie. Water. As for the artist, it depends. Everybody’s got their preference. Tree, obviously, a lotta marijuana. Bloo, a lot of marijuana. Doe, water and some beer. Me—a smoothie, a blunt, sage to clear out the energy, and good company. Even if it’s someone who’s not rapping, it’s good energy. That shit travels through the music, too.

Inspiration

Traveling in New York or outside of New York is always inspiring. I’m a gym guy, I like to go to the gym every day. But when there were no gyms during the pandemic, I ended up finding a new resource—riding a bike. That gave me a new perspective on where we’re from. 

In New York, you either walk, drive, or take the train. But with a bike, you’re gonna see things a little differently. Certain parts you’ve never seen or ran into because there’s only a bike lane that can take you to those destinations. Riding a bike through the Bronx and down to Brooklyn, it gives me a new appreciation for the city I grew up in. Like, seeing Manhattan from across the Williamsburg Bridge, and getting that idea of, “This city is big. Anyone can make it.” That inspires me.

Daily Schedule

I like to work in the morning. I feel like when I wake up, my mind is fresh. New thoughts, new ideas. Wednesday, Thursday is always best for me to bring people through. And I work in the morning, kind of like a job, to keep it a hundred. 10am to 8, 9pm. I don’t like working overnight. I feel like by that time, my ear’s already done and drained.

Depending on the day and how many samples I have, I could crank out four or five beats a day. I make beats every day. It’s like shooting in the gym. I’m in the gym every day shooting and perfecting my shot. 

Then my influences—like Madlib, Alchemist. If I hear something with those guys, like, “Oh shit, this drum is nuts.” Or, “This sample is crazy.” I’ll be inspired, like, “Let me cook up nine. Let me push myself.” It’s like being in the gym. “Let me crank out 300 pounds because I saw Arnold put up 350.”

Picking out a sample is really a job in itself. I don’t like to dig the same shit that everybody else digs. If I hear a sample that I heard somebody else use, it’s already in my mind, like, “I don’t really wanna use this.” I’d rather find something that nobody ever heard and put my stamp on it. So when people hear it, they’re like, “Oh, that’s the shit that Ran used,” or, “That’s the shit that Al-Doe rapped on.”

Digging

Online, you can find anything. Everything, actually. So I dig for shit online and go really deep, and try to find shit that nobody ever heard, or ever used, or wouldn’t even think about. I think most producers do that.

Then, if I’m in the city, or I’m running around Manhattan or Brooklyn, I’ll find a thrift shop or any record store, and I’ll go a month straight digging for samples. There’s something about the find, and the memories you have. Like, “Oh, I found this crazy sample in Brooklyn in some old thrift shop that cost me $2.” That story. 

Or even the artwork aspect. There’s a thrift shop not that far from me, and every now and then I’ll go there to find records. And I’ll find a cover with a church choir and a bunch of kids on it, like, “I don’t know what this record’s gonna say to me, but I feel like there’s some grimy shit on this.” And it’ll be some kids singing, and I’ll be like, “Oh, I can turn this into some nasty, ignorant shit.”

If I vinyl dig, I’ll probably have records in my crib for about a month before I go through them all. When I do vinyl dig, I dig heavy. I’ll be like, “Alright, if I can’t find nothing online, I’m gonna go through these thirty records and start finding shit.”

During the pandemic, there was nothing to do. All I would do was dig through all the records from my mother and father’s stash, or records I came upon that I had never really went through, and put those shits on the vinyl player and make beats nonstop. 2020? I was nonstop just cranking shit, because I was in the house all day. Why not? 

I’ll sample anything but country. I try everything. Brazilian, rock, psychedelic rock, soul, jazz, blues. A lotta out the box shit. But the way I mix my beats, you wouldn’t even tell if it’s vinyl or not. It’s that texture. A lot of my beats I make from samples online, you wouldn’t know they weren’t vinyl. 

Sample Sound

I’m personal with all the artists I work with. I go by conversations. Whatever you’re telling me, I’m gonna go around that so you can vent on it. So if you’re going through some shit, I’m gonna find some pain. Some piano riff or guitar you can go crazy on. I go by mood and feeling. 

I try not to go for the happy soulful shit. It has to be like a woman pleading, like she hates her man type of shit. I go by full emotion, and by my influences that did it before me. Like RZA, Havoc, of course Alchemist. Especially RZA. I’m coming for that “Can It Be All So Simple” vibe. Something soulful but gritty, where I can bring you into my world. 

Drums

It depends on the sample. Sometimes samples already have drums in it, and you chop it and manipulate it to how you want it, pattern-wise. Some samples I use, I don’t put drums on them. I chop it up in a certain way so it hits with that one-two pattern, but I’ll EQ it so crazy that you’d think I put drums on it. But I didn’t.

I can’t speak for everyone, but I think for most producers, drums have always been a thing. Like, “I gotta make sure my drums hit.” That’s everything. I think bass and drums is the most important part. 

For my drums, I EQ it a certain way to make it sound gritty and dirty. But it depends on the sample. Like if it’s some soulful shit, I try not to put too hard-hitting of a drum, because it doesn’t call for it. I might lower it so it’s not too in-your-face, because sometimes the drums can take away from the feel of the sample.

At the end of the day, it’s all about the song. You want to make sure all the parts sound good. Drums, bass, the sample, and obviously the vocals play a huge part. You want to make sure it all sounds perfect, tone-wise and volume-wise. 

Making Beats For Multiple Artists / Rap Camp

I go by a timeline. We got everything on a whiteboard. So let’s say I’m working with Tree—when I’m done with beats, I’ll put in parentheses “Tree,” or like, “Tree” or “Al-Doe.” So then when they come to the lab, I can just type in “Al-Doe,” and I got a bunch of the joints I made over the week. And if he fucks with it, I’ll build off what’s created.

Rap Camp is different, because it’s multiple people at once. So I’m trying to figure out who’s gonna sound good with who. You don’t wanna just have all five dudes on one song if it doesn’t make sense. 

So let’s say I got UFO Fev or Tree or Bloo coming in. I’m gonna see what makes sense with who I’m working with right now, so I can put it on a project. And if their project is already out, I might keep it for myself or do a little digital loosie. 

For me, when I have a bunch of rappers with different styles, I like to have the sample all ready, then chop it up and make it from scratch. It’s like boot camp for all of us. I make it on the spot, and they write it on the spot. And they’re all competing with each other to see who’s gonna have the best verse. It’s like seeing these guys spar in front of me. And now we can debate who got the best verse because they all wrote it on the spot. 

I did it with UFO Fev, Al-Doe, and Madhattan. And these guys were like pitbulls in a circle, seeing who’s gonna go crazy on one another. It hasn’t dropped yet, but it’s very debatable. You don’t know who had the best verse. And that’s the conversation I like to have.

I haven’t done Rap Camp in three or four months now, it’s been a minute. It all stems from Alchemist and Mac Miller, and what they did in L.A. 

Collaborating With Artists

A lot of times when they’re doing their verses and they can’t think of a hook, and they have certain parts of their verse that sounds like a hook, I’ll just drag and drop it like, “Nah, this gonna be the hook.” Or, “This sounds like a hook. Try to say this like a hook.” I’m engineering the whole thing, too. Making sure it’s a complete song, not just a beat and a verse. 

Input, song ideas. And it’s based on conversation, too. I’ll be like, “You should talk about what you were telling me last week, or yesterday, or right now.” It’s like a script. “I got the perfect script for you, I just need your best acting performance. Why don’t you say it or do it like this?” Or, “Take that line out, that didn’t sound right.” Just really not being a “Yes Man.” You wanna make sure that shit sounds up to par, especially when you know the level that they’re at. Like, “I know you can do that way better.” 

And without any ego. They listen to me, and I listen to them. Like, “Yo Ran, this beat is cool, but I feel like this.” And I’m not like, “Nah, you need to rap on it.” It’s like, “Aiight, bet. Let me keep on diggin’.”

Bloo Azul

Bloo can rap on anything. With MF Bloo, a lot of those beats weren’t supposed to be rapped on, because they were so off beat. It was like a rough draft, and he just rapped on it and created his own flow. And the shits hit, which is crazy to me. It would be like a three-bar format, and he managed to keep a flow and make it sound good. He’s ill with flows, and can pick out different flows on pretty much anything. He always finds it as a test. Like, “This beat is bugged out, but I’ma catch it.” And he’ll catch it.

Tree Mason

Very creative and different. From song titles to hooks to subject matter, he’s very sharp. Especially with hooks. He’s like our Nate Dogg. If we can’t think of a hook, we go right to Tree. And he’ll be like, “Why don’t you do it like this or say it like that.” He’s ill with hooks. 

Al-Doe

Top Five Dead or Alive. One of the best rappers I ever heard. Put him on a song with Jada, put him on a song with Nas, with Hov. He’s gonna do his thing. If he feels challenged, he’s gonna make you feel just as challenged. 

With “Still Hope,” you can hear the emotion behind the song. He was pissed when he did that song. He came in, and that was a day he wasn’t gonna show up at the lab. And he pulled up surprisingly and was like, “Yo Ran, load that shit up.” He wanted to vent. And did he.

Sauce Heist

Very passionate. Smart brother. He’s like the Ghostface, the Noreaga. That type of dude. Five percenter. Heavy into that lifestyle. Very plant-based. Hit you with some type of knowledge, like, “Damn, I didn’t think about it like that.” But also, dope. For me being RZA, he’s my Ghostface.

Ty Da Dale is down with Sauce Heist and them. He’s one of those dudes that can really rap his ass off. And he’s got a special, dope voice. Kinda like Busta, like when he talks how it’s so deep and gritty. He can rap about anything, and people are gonna be like, “Holy shit.” And very slick with the wordplay. He’s one of those guys that if he keeps working the way he works, he’s gonna be someone in that scene that people flock to. I did a whole album with him and Sauce Heist called Heist Life. He did his thing. 

Outside Production

The camp is Tree, Doe, Bloo, and Sauce. Mav is someone I worked with outside of the camp. Great guy, great human being, and a great storyteller. He’s gonna create this picture where you can visualize everything he’s saying. That album we did is one of my favorites.

Mav has a very Alfred Hitchcock vibe. Very mysterious, but you see what he’s getting at. I’m a movie buff, I’m into horror films and stuff like that. It’s like I provided a soundtrack and a score to what he was saying, and it became one of those joints that people loved.

Mav and Madhattan—they’re like, external family. Madhattan writes very fast. When he hears something he likes, he’s gonna do it quick and it’s gonna come out dope. The majority of the time, we did like three songs in a day. We knocked that project out quick. He’s ready to rap. And ready to rap with anybody.

I got a whole project coming out soon with UFO Fev, too. Another artist by the name of Water from Chicago, I got a couple joints with him. Asun Eastwood is another one. 

But at the same time, I keep the core of who I’m working with, even with outside projects. So if you hear a Mav album, Doe’s on it, and Tree’s on it. So it’s keeping the hub of the family around outside projects. I grew up on RZA, so I’m taking that playbook and running it to what we’re doing. 

Sequencing

I go with feeling when it comes to sequencing. I want to set a vibe, and a mood. Not just be like, “Track 1, Track 2, Track 3.” I want it to flow like you’re watching a movie. I like to add different pieces behind the song that will blend with the next song. I don’t want it to stop like, “This is Track 5.” 

Releasing Projects

Sometimes it be out the blue, like, “We got enough songs, we can just drop the project.” But I like to set a time stamp for ourselves, so it’s like, “Let’s stop right here.” Because if we don’t stop, we’ll just keep recording mad songs. I want to set more of a militant time. 

Artwork

My man Duane Planes is one of the illest graphic design guys out there. Between me and the artist I’m working with, we’re definitely hands on with the art. We direct the artist on how to do it, or what we have in mind. Nine times out of ten he nails it off one shot. Sometimes they’ll be little readjustments, but other than that, he already knows what we’re thinking. 

MF Bloo is the perfect example. We were like, “Yo, we need this. Can you do it like this?” Done. That was one shot, no readjustments, no nothing. Off rip, that was one of the best covers I’ve ever seen him do for us. 

Vinyl

I’ve always been tapped into the vinyl game from watching other people do it. I remember Westside Gunn telling me about vinyl early, during the time of me being in the office. So I was always familiar with it. 

But Sauce Heist was the one who was like, “Nah Ran, we could really do this.” Because he was doing the vinyl thing on his own side. He actually showed me how it works. From then, his was the first vinyl I ever received myself. Whatever I learned from that first vinyl run I had with Sauce, I managed to bring that over to me and Doe having our own vinyls. And that transferred over to Tree and Bloo, and then Mav and Madhattan later on. 

A lot of the overseas vinyl companies that run the vinyl game, if they’re a fan of your shit, they’re gonna reach out like, “How can we partner up with you so we can release vinyls on our site, and you can release them on your site?” 

The good thing about working with these companies is you get to see who’s your core fan base by how many times they’re ordering and you’re delivering to them. If you’re an independent artist, and you have people that are going to support anything that you do, that’s your core. If you’ve got a good set of 150 people that are gonna buy your shit anytime you’re gonna drop? You’ll be good. You’re gonna get your money back regardless. 

But you gotta know where you are as an independent artist. And that comes with trial and error. And for me, when I first did the vinyl thing, everything was trial and error. I never had a website, nothing. I was pretty much DM’ing. Which is a good thing, but it can get confusing depending on how many people want to buy your shit. But that’s good trial and error, because you’re learning while you’re doing it. Then from the next one, you know how to run it. 

Everything is trial and error when you’re an independent artist. But the good thing is, you learn from what didn’t work, too. 

Working with Bigger Name Rap Artists

The great thing about it is I already know these guys. But it has to be organic. I like being in the same room, I don’t like sending shit. And, not for nothing, a selfish part of me is like, “I don’t wanna do one joint. I wanna do a whole project.” I feel like that showcases more of the producer. I’m not really a one-off type of guy.

Don’t get me wrong—if it’s a Jay-Z or a Nas, I’m gonna take what I can. But if it’s a guy I already have a relationship and a history with, and they know what I’ve been doing as far as creating full-length albums and people receiving them well, then they know I can hold down a whole project. 

That’s the reputation I built for myself, like an Alchemist, creating these full projects. I feel like I can do the same thing. And I might not be at that name yet, but I feel like I can do it in a way that’s gonna be as impactful as that man did it. This history is already there, it’s not far-fetched. It’s just about timing, and if it’s going to organically make sense. 

Room For Improvement

Drums have always been a thing for me that I feel I can always do better. Make sure my drum patterns are a little more different, and creative. 

And making original music. I don’t wanna be sampling all the time now. As people grow and progress, you wanna see something different. Especially with samples nowadays. The level where I’m at right now, people don’t care about clearances. But let’s say hypothetically, this shit goes out of the water now to the point where people are going to want that sample clearance. That shit is not a pretty penny. 

So you gotta make sure you go around it. Still keep your sound, and not sound too computer-ish, if that makes sense. I look at a guy like Beat Butcha or DJ Khalil, and how they can make their original shit sound like a sample. That’s my goal. Eventually I’m gonna do it.

Pics courtesy of Spanish Ran’s Instagram and Tree Mason’s Instagram. Visit Spanish Ran’s website to purchase his latest releases.